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    How I cut my PIP to nothing

    I'm no expert, but I want to throw this out there.

    I'm on my first cycle, 500/mg of Test E per week split into 2 injections. For each muscle that it was my first injection into that muscle, the "virgin muscle" effect was intense. I was nearly limping for 3 days after (not painful really, just crazy stiff). Subsequent injections were less sore, but whatever muscle got the most recent pin would always be sore, tender and tight for 2-3 days afterwards.

    One day, because of my schedule, I wasn't going to be able to pin my usual hour before the gym. Instead I pinned at lunch (gym sesh was later in the evening). My usual post injection soreness (I want to point out here that I think the "pain" part of PIP is a misnomer) was much less. I chalked this up to just getting better at my injection technique and went back to my usual timing of 1 hour before the gym.

    Fast forward another 2 weeks. I got sick. Nothing crazy, just a little sore throat and sniffles. I also pulled a bicep deadlifting (common, minor powerlifting injury, takes 3 days to heal tops if you take care of it). I cut that workout short, and then delayed my next training day by 1 day to get in a little extra rest for the cold and pulled bicep. I didn't see any reason why I should alter my dosing schedule though, so I pinned on a day I did not train. What happened next was magical: next to zero post injection soreness/tenderness/stiffniss. Ok, so it was still slightly noticeable, but I would say the soreness was a mere 10% of what it was when I was pinning an hour before training.

    The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. Jabbing yourself with a needle creates a wound. If your body had a choice it sure as **** would prefer not to have a hole put in it. Did you ever do jumping jacks after skinning your knee as a little kid? I'm pretty sure the same idea is at play here. Lifting on a fresh wound probably irritates the muscle even more. But give it a day to heal and it's good to go.

    Just my .02

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    What size needle are you using?

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    You're over-thinking it. The more you pin the less the PIP. That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolPete33
    You're over-thinking it. The more you pin the less the PIP. That is all.
    ^^^Agreed. There are many factors involved in PIP. The "virgin muscle" idea is largely crap. For most guys, you can chalk it up to inexperience, using too short a needle and not going deep enough into the muscle, using too large of a bore/gauge, unsteady hands, type of oil in gear, concentration of gear, etc.

    Many of us here have and do pin on day of training and its a nonissue. With experience, the pain associated with proper IM injections is far less frequent.

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    25g 1", a small needle for sure.

    And my hands have been steady since my 3rd injection. I got over the jitters fast. I really think pinning on a non training day is a good way to avoid PIP with long esters.

    I guess if I get PIP like i was getting before while doing this, it's BS. I'll let you know, but for now I think it was the solution I needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaps
    25g 1", a small needle for sure.

    And my hands have been steady since my 3rd injection. I got over the jitters fast. I really think pinning on a non training day is a good way to avoid PIP with long esters.

    I guess if I get PIP like i was getting before while doing this, it's BS. I'll let you know, but for now I think it was the solution I needed.
    Sure, follow up with us. I have very little PIP any more and when it happens its only with very concentrated gear (400mg/ml or higher) but I've found ways to pretty much eliminate PIP now completely.

    I've been handling needles and injections for more than 18 years.
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    I always read about guys showering pinning showering again, doing heat wraps ice packs and having no pip, sounds awesome but I have JUST ENOUGH time to do it in a sterile manner but still quickly, idk how people have so much time, must not have kids......I just deal with the pip, however I want never to do quads again it was awful for 3-4 days couldn't even sit with legs under me ( something I do a lot when my 2.5 yr old wants to set up Thomas train tracks)

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    Yeah perhaps overthinking it. Faster insert of the pin, steady hand, slow injection.. I get little to no pip now

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Sure, follow up with us. I have very little PIP any more and when it happens its only with very concentrated gear (400mg/ml or higher) but I've found ways to pretty much eliminate PIP now completely.

    I've been handling needles and injections for more than 18 years.
    Me too. The only time I have pain is when the gear gives it to me. It has nothing to do with technique.

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    Man I thought I had it down but I guess it is BS. I pinned yesterday alot higher up my quad than I have been and theres been some PIP today for sure. Injection went smoothly, must be this kalpa gear I got my hands on.

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    I get some PIP from using Test Prop but it's not too bad. If you've got virgin muscles then that's most likely your issue. It's all part of the game.

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    Leave the needle in for a minute or so. Bring it out super slow an massage the spot afterwards. Ive never had pip with deca , test e,p and tren

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    i've probably pinned over two thousand times. what i've learned is, for me, to pin into the biggest muscle. which happens to be the glutes. i never get PIP. AND i've filled a 5ml syringe on many an occassion......

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    For some reason I seem to bleed a bunch every time I try to go for the glutes, I actually haven't been successful in injecting there. I bleed the second I penetrate the skin.

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