Holding water in ankles.

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 03:36 PM

I am currently running:

Test prop 75mg ED
Mast prop 75mg ED
Anavar 80mg ED
Arimidex .25mg EOD

I woke up this morning and my ankles were noticeably holding water, or at least I only noticed it today. What could be causing this? Kidney issues? or estro too high? should I increase my Adex?

Thanks.

**bass** · 12-16-2013, 03:38 PM

how long you been on the cycle?

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by bass

how long you been on the cycle?

Just over 4 weeks.

**bass** · 12-16-2013, 04:04 PM

that's quite a bit test you're injecting and 0.25 eod may not be enough, but also too soon for water retention from high e2. at this point i'd suggest BW for e2 only to see where your at, then adjust as your AI.

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by bass

that's quite a bit test you're injecting and 0.25 eod may not be enough, but also too soon for water retention from high e2. at this point i'd suggest BW for e2 only to see where your at, then adjust as your AI.

I just took .5mg of adex and will probably continue that at .5mg EOD to see if that helps. I can't get BW done for about a week but will get it done ASAP. I have had my BP taken and it is normal. Is there anything else I can be do in the meantime?

**bass** · 12-16-2013, 05:06 PM

minimize your salt intake.

**Bio-Active** · 12-16-2013, 05:11 PM

How much weight have you gained and how does your nutrition look?

**Lunk1** · 12-16-2013, 05:15 PM

I hold water at my right elbow. WTF? You ankles? I have never heard that from anyone other than a pregnant woman. Are you possibly pregnant?

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

How much weight have you gained and how does your nutrition look?

I have gained around 18 pounds so far. The first 2 weeks of the cycle I ran dbol @50mg ED. My diet has varied throughout, but I have kept a calorie surplus and protein is always high.

**MuscleInk** · 12-16-2013, 05:28 PM

Maybe it's not water. Maybe he just has "cankles"

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Maybe it's not water. Maybe he just has "cankles"

Maybe it's just due to the large amount of weight I have gained, or maybe it is due to something more serious, but either way I need it gone

**Bio-Active** · 12-16-2013, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Battleplan

I have gained around 18 pounds so far. The first 2 weeks of the cycle I ran dbol @50mg ED. My diet has varied throughout, but I have kept a calorie surplus and protein is always high.

dbol is well known to put mass water on you. How long have you been off the dbol?

**Battleplan** · 12-16-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

dbol is well known to put mass water on you. How long have you been off the dbol?

2 weeks

**Bert** · 12-16-2013, 11:03 PM

I have the same problem when I'm on my feet too much.

**MuscleInk** · 12-17-2013, 12:18 AM

Ok, now that I made a smart ass comment....OP, are you taking by other meds for any condition? How about anti-hypertensives? Anti-depressants? NSAIDs or similar? Have you checked your blood glucose levels at any time since the occurrence of swelling? Any familial history of peripheral artery or kidney disease? Any pain or discomfort standing or walking anywhere in the foot? Any cramping in your legs at any time? Any discoloration anywhere in the swollen area(s)? Is the swelling unilateral or bilateral?

Sorry for the extensive questions. Peripheral edema has many causes so I'm trying to get a better understanding of the condition without direct examination of your ankles/feet.

**David LoPan** · 12-17-2013, 12:25 AM

I would be worried about your injection fraction and your HR along with kidney function. I am sure it is nothing, due to your age but I dont know your family history. Swelling (edema) of the feet and lower legs is a sign of low injection fraction. Watch H2O intake, lower NA intake and get your blood work done. ANY sign or symptom of heat attack take is serious. If you dont take 81 mg aspirin every day (at night) I would look into taking it. This is just my HO but Im sure its nothing. Lasix can help you get rid of water retention but you will pee like a mad man.
FYI - You can have a normal ejection fraction reading and still have heart failure. If the heart muscle has become so thick and stiff that the ventricle holds a smaller-than-usual volume of blood, it might still seem to pump out a normal percentage of the blood that enters it. In reality, though, the total amount of blood pumped isn't enough to meet your body's needs. Gear can thicken the blood and aspirin will help with this. I personally have taken 2 81mg of aspirin since I was 25, better to be safe. Im really hope I am wrong about this but I always worry about the heart, maybe since I have worked on a heart floor as a nurse for years and losing some young friend to HA.
If this is not the case, I can suggest trying compression stockings to help get the blood and fluids up and out of your legs. I wear them every day and they really help me.

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2013, 12:46 AM

I doubt he's experiencing congestive heart failure...
OP, you just need to increase your Adex dose, as you're holding a lot of water. Also, sleeping with your feet elevated should clear up the peripheral edema overnight.

**Battleplan** · 12-17-2013, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

I doubt he's experiencing congestive heart failure...
OP, you just need to increase your Adex dose, as you're holding a lot of water. Also, sleeping with your feet elevated should clear up the peripheral edema overnight.

Thanks for all the responses. This post pretty much sums up what I am thinking. Adex has been upped, water intake has been upped and I am going to sleep with my feet elevated tonight to see if that helps. If it persists I will go to a doc and get bloods done next week.

AD · 12-17-2013, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by BigTahl

I would be worried about your injection fraction and your HR along with kidney function. I am sure it is nothing, due to your age but I dont know your family history. Swelling (edema) of the feet and lower legs is a sign of low injection fraction. Watch H2O intake, lower NA intake and get your blood work done. ANY sign or symptom of heat attack take is serious. If you dont take 81 mg aspirin every day (at night) I would look into taking it. This is just my HO but Im sure its nothing. Lasix can help you get rid of water retention but you will pee like a mad man.
FYI - You can have a normal ejection fraction reading and still have heart failure. If the heart muscle has become so thick and stiff that the ventricle holds a smaller-than-usual volume of blood, it might still seem to pump out a normal percentage of the blood that enters it. In reality, though, the total amount of blood pumped isn't enough to meet your body's needs. Gear can thicken the blood and aspirin will help with this. I personally have taken 2 81mg of aspirin since I was 25, better to be safe. Im really hope I am wrong about this but I always worry about the heart, maybe since I have worked on a heart floor as a nurse for years and losing some young friend to HA.
If this is not the case, I can suggest trying compression stockings to help get the blood and fluids up and out of your legs. I wear them every day and they really help me.

I think you mean "ejection". But like Bonaparte said, no. He doesn't have heart failure.

**flenser** · 12-17-2013, 06:50 AM

Are you sure your anavar isn't really dbol ? That would cause the swelling - as well as elevated AST and ALT.

**Battleplan** · 12-17-2013, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by flenser

Are you sure your anavar isn't really dbol? That would cause the swelling - as well as elevated AST and ALT.

Pretty sure my var is legit, however I guess you never know. After elevating my feet last night they are looking a little better, I will keep my water intake up and hopefully it sorts itself out.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 03:49 PM

my brother had the same thing on a very toxic liver cycle. Var is not the most liver toxic oral, in fact in small doses it has been shown to help livers of alcohalics. Anyway at 80, your far beyone that, but i did 100mgs of oral winstrol for two weeks after beeing on 50 for a previous 5 weeks and my liver was not as terrible as my brothers. i was really suprized how mildly elevated the values In my opinion, i dont think its your liver.
Im venturing to T3 atm and the things i have leanred about it are very interesting. Steroids can affect your thyroid conversion rates. Low thyroid can make you retain water in the ankles.

**flenser** · 12-17-2013, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Battleplan

Pretty sure my var is legit, however I guess you never know. After elevating my feet last night they are looking a little better, I will keep my water intake up and hopefully it sorts itself out.

I recently used Sc---- var tabs which turned out to be dbol , tests showed. I took 80mg ed as well, and my liver took a big hit (though I have a higher %bf than you, for sure). Only reason I mentioned it.

**David LoPan** · 12-17-2013, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by AD

I think you mean "ejection". But like Bonaparte said, no. He doesn't have heart failure.

I didnt think he did, like I stated, at his age its a long shot. But I have seen it happen in very health young guys due to family history.

LOL, Injection, my mind must have been somewhere else. Im surprised I didnt have more misspellings....

**David LoPan** · 12-17-2013, 10:19 PM

Sorry this has really nothing to do with the OP question, just one reason I went that way, along with being a cardiac nurse for so long. Heart disease starts early so take aspirin its cheap.

Here is part of the study that the military did: "Autopsy studies have demonstrated that coronary disease begins at a young age. Consequently, primary prevention campaigns to address obesity and related risks should begin in childhood. Declines in cardiovascular disease risk factors have almost certainly contributed to the observed reductions in prevalence of subclinical atherosclerosis, incidence of clinical atherosclerotic disease, and deaths from heart disease. Although age-adjusted heart disease death rates have declined by 72 percent since their peak during the Vietnam War years, cardiovascular disease remains the leading cause of death in the United States. The national battle against heart disease is not over; increasing rates of obesity and diabetes signal a need to engage earlier and with greater intensity in a campaign of pre-emption and prevention.