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    Is my cycle to long?

    I have not been on the boards in a long time and it seems like things have changed but not sure.

    this is it

    Wk 1-12 Test E 900mg
    Wk 1-11 Deca 600 mg
    Wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
    Wk 13-20 Test E 300mg
    Wk 13-20 Tren A 50-100/day

    on week 5 now.


    just wondering

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    I have not been on the boards in a long time and it seems like things have changed but not sure.

    this is it

    Wk 1-12 Test E 900mg
    Wk 1-11 Deca 600 mg
    Wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
    Wk 13-20 Test E 300mg
    Wk 13-20 Tren A 50-100/day

    on week 5 now.


    just wondering
    Yes, Your cycle is too long. I wouldn't go over 16 weeks. The longer you stay on, the harder it is to recover. Also, keep test dose the same throughout the cycle.

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    any other thoughts?

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    Your cycle is to long

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    any other thoughts?
    Agreed too long !!

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    how would you play it out with these compounds? on week 5 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    I have not been on the boards in a long time and it seems like things have changed but not sure.

    this is it

    Wk 1-12 Test E 900mg
    Wk 1-11 Deca 600 mg
    Wk 1-4 Dbol 50mg/day
    Wk 13-20 Test E 300mg
    Wk 13-20 Tren A 50-100/day

    on week 5 now.


    just wondering
    So basically your doing a classic T/D/Dbol cycle and then jumping straight in to a cutting cycle.

    I think 6 or 7 weeks of pinning Tren A everyday is going to be hell. I normally do a short ester cycle for only 3 or 4 weeks, pinning every other day.

    If it was my gear I would run the the T/D/Dbol cycle like this: Deca 12weeks, Test 14 weeks and dbol at 4 weeks on the tail end. Others prefer Dbol on the front end in the first 4 weeks.

    I would run HCG twice a week on Mon's and Thurs' at 250ius beginning the 2nd week.

    What AI's do you have available for running during your cycle (caber, letrozole , Arimedex, bromo, etc.) for a T/D/Dbol cycle? You need to be prepared for the gyno.

    At the end I would run the PCT about 2 weeks after the last injection of Test E. Then get a blood lipids panel and a blood panel on total Testosterone and estradiol.

    If everything looks good in your lab reports then go to the cutting cycle of Tren and Test E and continue HCG therapy through the cycle and then follow PCT therapy as above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    Your cycle is to long
    How would you play it out with the compounds I listed. im on week 5 now

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk19gunner View Post

    You need to be prepared for the gyno.
    Gyno will not be a problem. Glands are removed already ( hell in fact I wish I could get a little Gyno as I have light dents from it .

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    Ok, thats pretty rare. I don't meet a lot of people on the boards that had their glands removed.

    This is just me talking, I would still still split both cycles up and get blood work done to look for blood lipid numbers and Hematocrit count. If you haven't maxed those numbers out and everything is going good for you then I would hit the cutting cycle.

    Cheers bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mk19gunner View Post
    Ok, thats pretty rare. I don't meet a lot of people on the boards that had their glands removed.
    Its pretty common. young dumb kids hitting a cycle in there early 20s PCT??? what the hell is that? 10 years later Moobs finally removed haha. Trust me its pretty common. no one talks about it tho. im 33 now and I see it alot.

    anyhow cool.

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    Who put this cycle together and what's your goal?
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    i've done it...but not with 19nors. I think that would be too suppressive. If your gonna do a cycle that long i'd do it with test and and some DHTs for second half. But you also wouldnt want to be on DHTs for 20wks for cholesterol reasons, just the second half. The dhts would also help any SHBG thats starting to rise at that point if any.

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    SHBG should not rise on cycle. Test suppresses SHBG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Who put this cycle together and what's your goal?
    The guy I get gear from (UG lab)

    Goal was to just and cut is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg
    How would you play it out with the compounds I listed. im on week 5 now Thanks
    are you planning to add hcg and an AI to the mix? What's your planned pct? Without those things in place I wouldn't run the cycle at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027 View Post
    are you planning to add hcg and an AI to the mix? What's your planned pct? Without those things in place I wouldn't run the cycle at all

    ya I run HCG 20Ius a day. I take Nova as well ( water retention ) like I said above Gyno is no concern ZERO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    The guy I get gear from (UG lab)

    Goal was to just and cut is all.
    You must have a few cycles under your belt.

    Stop the deca at week 10
    Run the test E to week 12
    dbol if you have to

    forget the rest of it.

    That's not a typical cutting cycle you realize this right? I would bulk with this cycle.

    Don't forgot your hcg , ai, and prami/caber if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    ya I run HCG 20Ius a day. I take Nova as well ( water retention ) like I said above Gyno is no concern ZERO.
    pct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    ya I run HCG 20Ius a day. I take Nova as well ( water retention ) like I said above Gyno is no concern ZERO.
    The absolute LEAST of your concerns with an AI should be gyno. The far more insidious effects of high estrogen are internal, not external. My god man, run an AI on cycle. You are absolutely nuts not to. Elevated E increases the risk of stroke, cardio vascular disease, loss of muscle tone, libido and the list can go on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    The absolute LEAST of your concerns with an AI should be gyno. The far more insidious effects of high estrogen are internal, not external. My god man, run an AI on cycle. You are absolutely nuts not to. Elevated E increases the risk of stroke, cardio vascular disease, loss of muscle tone, libido and the list can go on.

    Cool what would you run? I have a lot of crap in the "old box" and can get anything i want or need.

    so lay it out. forums are complete chaos IMO so much conflicting thoughts. Not saying you guys are wrong just saying I have read and been told other thoughts.

    But keep it KISS and tell me what you would take for it.

    PS my doc with script me anything I want as well.

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    Well for a typical 500mg test cycle the average adex amount is .25mg EOD. You are running much more than that so most would end up a bit higher, but BW is really the only way to tell. .25 is a starting point for you anyway. Remember, you're also running a progestin and when E is not controlled you can then have issues related to prg/prl as well.

    Take some time and read Austinites Educational Articles sticky thread. Get yourself caught up on this innerg. Be safe with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well for a typical 500mg test cycle the average adex amount is .25mg EOD. You are running much more than that so most would end up a bit higher, but BW is really the only way to tell. .25 is a starting point for you anyway. Remember, you're also running a progestin and when E is not controlled you can then have issues related to prg/prl as well.

    Take some time and read Austinites Educational Articles sticky thread. Get yourself caught up on this innerg. Be safe with it.
    Ya I have spent hours is the past reading it its all conflicting chaos ( no offense) put appreciate you.

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    conflicting chaos? do you mean other forums views on things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by innerg View Post
    Ya I have spent hours is the past reading it its all conflicting chaos ( no offense) put appreciate you.
    Always better safe than sorry innerg. A little caution goes a long way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    The absolute LEAST of your concerns with an AI should be gyno. The far more insidious effects of high estrogen are internal, not external. My god man, run an AI on cycle. You are absolutely nuts not to. Elevated E increases the risk of stroke, cardio vascular disease, loss of muscle tone, libido and the list can go on.
    This would be my concern for you as well. Just because you had your glads removed, you still need to control your E2 levels and therefore should have an AI regimine.

    The Dangers of Elevated Estrogen in Men

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    Cool. I just picked up a bunch of stuff. started tonight.

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    Your balls are guna disappear lol

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    Why so complicated? Whatever happened to the K.I.S.S, tried and true cycles?

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