Question about aromatize, water retention, gyno, and AI

[XxAndreaxX]

Hi all,
I have a question, maybe its a little tricky, so please only answer if you have knowledge about what you’re saying.
Lets take Test. Lets say 250mg EW. It aromatises. But the quantity is too low to get any water retention or gyno.
Lets take 500mg. you’ll get gyno and water retention for shure with this quantity, so you’ll have to take some AI. The big question now, if I want to retain water but not getting any gyno, how can I do that??? More test, more gyno, more AI, less estro less water.
So virtually I could run 1gr of test EW and don’t get any water retention due to the high amounts of AI.
The only way to do that, is to take nolva instead of any AI, but nolva is problematic during a cycle, because of IGF-1 inhibition and prolactine promoter.
Is there another way??
Now, please, I only need an answer to my question, please dont answer with another question like: “why do you want water retention?”, or “eat more food and go to the diet section.”
Thanks!

[clarky.]

Why do you want water retention though ?

[kronz]

Why do you want water retention?

[Wintermaul]

I think you simplyfied too much on the math on 250mg test vs 500mg. Anyway, we all get different kinds of sideeffects. Some get gyno and no water and the other way around. If you WANT water but not gyno i would choose to use AI to prevent estro for gyno, and actually drink less and eat more "rubbish" with sodium to get the water. Water os often regulated with food... Anyway, keep an eye out for high bp.

[XxAndreaxX]

ok so if you are very sensitive to gyno, you'll get gyno before even starting to bloat??
I know many people who got slight gyno at more than 500mg, with no AI, but got a hell of bloat and were huge.
I retain very little water, and get gyno instantaneously. so in that case, if you are very prone to gyno, its worthless to take higher doses of test, its better take the equivalent anabolic amount of tren. because more test=more AI, so lets say even if I take 1gr of test, I shouldn't get much bigger than 200mg of tren (simplyfied maths again hehe)

[ScotchGuard02]

If you want water retention I would run add compounds along with Test like Dbol or Deca. Run the longest ester'd Test and eat salty foods. Do no cardio and run moderate workouts.

[XxAndreaxX]

Yeah, I’m only on long ester, but can’t get any waterweight.
To give you an example, my friends, after a cycle, lost around 8kg, but me, I did not only preseved my weight, I added weight (due fat retention Post cycle).
As I was on Dianabol, I started gaining weight, was not taking any AI, then 2-3th week, gyno fired up, so I was forced to take an AI, and lost all the water. Ironically, I only lost water, gyno stayed unchanged until the end of cycle. A friend of mine, went in 1 cycle from 70kg to nearly 100kg.... he was a monster, bloated like a watermelon, was on 1gr test and some houndreds of gr deca, and no AI, he sprayed milk like a cow. But he was freakin huge.30kg is obviously too much, but 5-10kg without gyno would be nice.

[magic32]

Not sure why water retention is such a goal of yours. However, Scotch is right on the water retention recipe, but you should always do some form of consistent cardio work even if its reduced.

As for the gyno, why are you making this such a major issue? If you're prone to it just add Letro to your cycle (starting pre-cycle to permit blood serum accumulation). If you find that Letro therapy proves unsatisfactory, switch to the more effective but cycle hindering Noladex (the premiere drug used for clinical gyno therapy).

[kelkel]

Consider adding LBM instead of water bloat. Works better, lasts longer.