GYNO from t-3?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 10:23 AM

ran test at much higher dosages, and at higher BF with no gyno ever.
Currently on week 8 of Mast e, 800mg/wk and test e 350wk.
just added t-3 100mcg last 4 days and left nipple is sore. A couple other guys on other boards said it happend to them. Brian Haycock(even tho i dont agree with alot of his bullshit) said t-3 increases aromatase.
Pff, and here i thought t-3 being a slight anti-prolactin would only decrease my chances..plus im on a healthy dose of MAST, wtf..

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 10:24 AM

im at 9% bf btw, and yes my higher doses of test was real test it was my script stuff at the time

**bass** · 12-17-2013, 10:55 AM

never heard T3 causing gyno! what's your protocol?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 11:14 AM

mast e 800mg/wk
test e 350mg/wk
t-3, 100mcg/day
was gonna run the t-3 from weeks 9-12. In four days i developed a slight lump and sorness. I was hoping it was a blind pimple but i dont think it is. I keep trying to pull the skin away and feel underneath. its messing with my mind cuz im not 100% sure where the soreness is, dammit
i have nolva and a-dex, and some letro. hmm..

**Bonaparte** · 12-17-2013, 11:22 AM

I don't see how T3 could cause gyno...unless it is tainted with estrogen or something.

**bass** · 12-17-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

mast e 800mg/wk
test e 350mg/wk
t-3, 100mcg/day
was gonna run the t-3 from weeks 9-12. In four days i developed a slight lump and sorness. I was hoping it was a blind pimple but i dont think it is. I keep trying to pull the skin away and feel underneath. its messing with my mind cuz im not 100% sure where the soreness is, dammit
i have nolva and a-dex, and some letro. hmm..

so no AI?!

**fit2bOld** · 12-17-2013, 01:57 PM

^^* there it is no AI. What were you thinking. Jump on raloxiphene 60 mg daily. Start an AI and never cycle without it.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

^^* there it is no AI. What were you thinking. Jump on raloxiphene 60 mg daily. Start an AI and never cycle without it.

Sry..im not one of those "always use an AI" people. I've ran 800mgs of test and 600mgs of deca at the same time with no AI. I've ran a gram of test by itself with no ai. Ive done 500mgs of test when i was super fat with no AI. 350 of test, with a dht steroid with it, masteron , when im relatively lean, should not have touched me. And i dont believe its "Healthier" to run and AI per se. With my gram of test cycle would it have been "healthier" ? maybe, as i'd probabably still have enough e2 to protect me cardiovascularly. Would it have been as anabolic ? hell no. Estrogen and test work in unison, and increase each others effects....
but with this cycle, masteron isn't to lipid friendly, i wasnt goin to add an AI for no reason.

**qscgugcsq** · 12-17-2013, 02:51 PM

well enjoy the boobs if you dont want to run AI...

it may inner gain a little but when you can diminish he risk of cardiovasculaire disease it ****ing worth it.
you are riaking some precious years of your life because AI may inner some gain.

Yes this is healthier to run AI.

Like I said, enjoy your boobs.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by qscgugcsq

well enjoy the boobs if you dont want to run AI...

it may inner gain a little but when you can diminish he risk of cardiovasculaire disease it ****ing worth it.
you are riaking some precious years of your life because AI may inner some gain.

Yes this is healthier to run AI.

Like I said, enjoy your boobs.

incorrect. Either you need to read more in general or you need to read MY posts more carefully. An AI hinders gains...AND affects lipids negatively, usually moving HDL down. Estrogen boosts HDL. Lower it, you lower HDL. Now one might say "well, if the hormone replacement dose of test is 100mgs and you are 350 then taking ADEX which only reduces it by 50% would still leave you with enough E2 to be healthy".
Maybe. Its not really clear whether the total level of E2 is the factor or its ratio to the androgen/s...we simply dont know. All we know is...estrogen increases HDL....and AI's have studies showing they move lipids in an unfavorable direction.

**Cuz** · 12-17-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by AnabolicBoy1981

incorrect. Either you need to read more in general or you need to read MY posts more carefully. An AI hinders gains...AND affects lipids negatively, usually moving HDL down. Estrogen boosts HDL. Lower it, you lower HDL. Now one might say "well, if the hormone replacement dose of test is 100mgs and you are 350 then taking ADEX which only reduces it by 50% would still leave you with enough E2 to be healthy".
Maybe. Its not really clear whether the total level of E2 is the factor or its ratio to the androgen/s...we simply dont know. All we know is...estrogen increases HDL....and AI's have studies showing they move lipids in an unfavorable direction.

But your still risking the possibility of gyno by not keeping your E2 in line. Lipids would be the last thing I was worried about if I were developing breasts. After all they (lipids) will return to normal after usage is ended? correct?

**qscgugcsq** · 12-17-2013, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

But your still risking the possibility of gyno by not keeping your E2 in line. Lipids would be the last thing I was worried about if I were developing breasts. After all they (lipids) will return to normal after usage is ended? correct?

it will return pretty fast plus except for letrozole . they do not truly screw with lipid panel.

Aromasin is very gentle on the lipids and arimidex on the most recent study it didnt affect negativly the lipids.

even if E2 increase HDL its still highly increase your risk of high blood pressure and hearth problem that can lead to death.

do whatever you want but it is not the healthy way.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

But your still risking the possibility of gyno by not keeping your E2 in line. Lipids would be the last thing I was worried about if I were developing breasts. After all they (lipids) will return to normal after usage is ended? correct?

yeah, but the plaque that gets deposited generally doesnt go away, dont fool yourself. Just because they "go back to normal" after a cycle doesnt mean it didnt exist for that three months you were on. What's there is there. So if you do one cycle a year for 4 years and your cholesterol is crap for three months out of the year, after 4 cycles thats a a whole YEAR of bad cholesterol.
Then a bro on here dies at like 45, and you wonder why. "he only did like one cycle a year!...and only 3 tren cycles, i dont get it..." well one cycle a year for 20 years lets see....maybe half of those cycles were lipid friendly..for instance test and deca cycle at 800 and 600 my cholesterol was great. Winny, primo, test with adex, n letro, not great. So maybe 10 of his cycles were bad for his cholesterol. 10x3=30 months, so two and a half years of bad cholesterol...but we'll double that to 5 years of bad cholesterol for those JUST three tren cycles because each one of those cycles is like equivelent to a whole year of bad cholesterol. Even an american fat ass doesnt have his HDL drop to 9 from McD's 3 times a week...but tren will do it..superdrol will do it..oh but we dont wanna hear it do we?. Now not always some people thrive on tren, good for them, not most. And im pretty sure no one thrives on methyl tren or superdrol. Im not even saying one day i wont resort to such a substance, but hey im not gonna do it unless i really deem it necessary and weigh the risk/benefit ratio. I'd rather have a tit surgery than a bipass surgery. I dont think the lipid altering affects of steroids are a joke, i dont take them lightly. "Oh but we're more active then the average american so having an HDL of 9 isnt the same as someone else. Alot of us do at least maintenance levels of cardio year round and lifting weights itself has cardiovasular effects". No...actually, if you take tren and have an HDL of 9....and you work out...it means you have an HDL of 9, sry. It would probably be 4 if you took tren and sat on your ass. What your think you can "burn off" arterial plaque the way you burn off love handles? You may be able to use up the some of the LDL before it lands on your artery...but once it lands its there. And with an HDL of 9 you better be workin out all day because thats not enough HDL to do shiit. HDL cleans up LDL. You need it. If its low..its more than "not good" , its terrible. Its a big deal.
My shaved head and this sensitive nips are "side affects of inconvenience" ..no one died from shaving their head. I dont consider a story about a dude squirting milk from his tit a horror story. I dont consider big purple zits, back ance, ED, some yelling and fist fights(roid rage ? eh..), night sweats, or excess body hair, or losing all your muscle after you gained it.. a horror story. I call that a pain in the ass. I call that inconvenient. Ask anyone who had to go after what they want if they had to do something inconvenient.
Getting and abscess cut open and drained....getting your chest cut open and having your clogged pipes rerouted....i consider that a horror story. That's a problem for me. I'd really rather that not happen. Those two things to me a the "side effects" of steroids. I dont take them lightly, and i try to prevent them to the best of my capacity. I try to only use "reputable" sources. I refilter and vial most of my shiit. I wipe the vial twice and my skin 3 or 4 times before i shoot.
I lipid test twice per cycle. i down an expensive amount of expensive fish oils. I take niacin, b-5, and fist fulls of other stuff cardio protective crap. There are certain cycles that i wont do again. I wont do winny, or primo. They do too much damage and not enough result. Mast im on the fence with, next weeks blood test will show. I've read every damn book on the shit, ive been on these boards for over 10 years. Yet i have less post than some on here a year? Why..cuz i spend more of my time doing roids then talking about them. I read more than i talk. Most of these KIDS with 5000+ posts on here dont know what the fk there talkin about. They're a parrot whose addicted to hearing the "sound of their own post".
Theres reasons for the way i do things...

**Sgt. Hartman** · 12-17-2013, 05:18 PM

You're so misinformed I honestly don't know where to start.

Estrogen does not work to cause tissue gain synergistically with testosterone . Extremely low e2 can hinder gains but there is nothing credible that shows high e2 increases gains.

You need to read a lot more about cholesterol and cardiovascular disease you have no idea what you're talking about. And androgens have a much greater negative impact on lipids than a moderate dose AI. Unbelievable you run no AI because you're worried about lipids but you're running 800mg masteron ?

You think just because you've never gotten gyno on previous cycles that your estrogen wasn't dangerously high? Everyone has a different threshold for gyno, some can develop it from e being only slightly elevated while others can have e in the 300's - 400's with no gyno.

You do realize that estrogen is a potent carcinogen in the male body right?

I'd say you deserve gyno.....

**fit2bOld** · 12-17-2013, 05:31 PM

As an older member on HRT my problem was excess estrogen not so much the lower levels of testosterone . You would not believe the amount of medical issues related to excess estrogen.

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 12-17-2013, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

You're so misinformed I honestly don't know where to start.

Estrogen does not work to cause tissue gain synergistically with testosterone . Extremely low e2 can hinder gains but there is nothing credible that shows high e2 increases gains.

You need to read a lot more about cholesterol and cardiovascular disease you have no idea what you're talking about. And androgens have a much greater negative impact on lipids than a moderate dose AI. Unbelievable you run no AI because you're worried about lipids but you're running 800mg masteron ?

You think just because you've never gotten gyno on previous cycles that your estrogen wasn't dangerously high? Everyone has a different threshold for gyno, some can develop it from e being only slightly elevated while others can have e in the 300's - 400's with no gyno.

You do realize that estrogen is a potent carcinogen in the male body right?

I'd say you deserve gyno.....

Misinformed. k. Im pretty sure i can read my own bloodwork. And i did say some people can handle it even harsh crap and be fine.

Yeah, a potent carcinogen i know. So i picked cancer over heart disease ok whatever.

And dont comment on my post if ya dont read it. No i never had gyno before. I did not think it would be an issue BASED on the fact that ive used aromatizing steroids at more than double that dose. i think that was fair reasoning. Apparently i was wrong.