Tren and the androgenic ratio of 500

[trikydik]

If tren has an androgenic ratio of 500, how do you prevent gyno?

Am I missing something???

Is it truly 5 times better than test at building muscle? If so, why doesn't everyone use it??/

[kelkel]

Simply tren is not testosterone.

Many do, some well, some not so well. Always needs to be run with test.

[Igifuno]

Tren was originally developed to beef up livestock and increases nutrient efficiency. Its a harsh compound that many have no issues with, but many do. Sometimes the side effects from tren just aren't worth it. I used tren twice in the past with no issues, but I am currently using it and have had high blood pressure, insomnia and lethargy.

Other sides that are common from tren are hair-loss, acne, night sweats, rapid heart rate, anxiety and a loss of libido when the dose is too high.

Since tren does not aromatize, lots of people assume gyno is not an issue but this isn't the case. Tren is a powerful progestin and can cause progesterone related gyno, and so prami or caber may need to be used.

Also, trenbolone shuts you down hard, which is why you really should include a test along with any tren cycle.

[Lunk1]

Summed up very well ^^^^^^^^

The 5X as androgenic is a bit of a misnomer. It is a very strong compound but 200mg is not 1G test by any stretch.

[Igifuno]

Summed up very well ^^^^^^^^

The 5X as androgenic is a bit of a misnomer. It is a very strong compound but 200mg is not 1G test by any stretch.

Agreed.. I'd also like to see some studies on the proclaimed increase in nutrient efficiency that tren is supposed to possess. It seems overstated.

[kelkel]

Agreed.. I'd also like to see some studies on the proclaimed increase in nutrient efficiency that tren is supposed to possess. It seems overstated.

I may have them stored. Have to check...

[Lunk1]

Agreed.. I'd also like to see some studies on the proclaimed increase in nutrient efficiency that tren is supposed to possess. It seems overstated.

I would have to disagree (respectfully of course I thing that Tren has a wonderful abilities to effect nutrition partitioning. There are a lot of online arguments both ways but I think you need look no further than the origin of Fina. When given to the cattle it simply made greater use of the calories that were being consumed.

Am I saying it's a fat burner? No..not by any stretch. Am I saying that it will help use the calories you consume more efficiently and effectively? Yep!

[Igifuno]

Indeed.. so farmers give cattle fina and the cattle do not workout right? But they still significantly increase body and muscle weight. So it obviously has abilities in nutrition partitioning, but here is what I don't understand about it.

If each nutrient you consume becomes more powerful, to what extent is is nutritional value enhanced? I've read that 50g of protein would equate to 200g, for example. Is this possible, or is this just a misinterpretation of how increased nutrition efficency works? Just seems impossible and overstated to me.

[Lunk1]

Indeed.. so farmers give cattle fina and the cattle do not workout right? But they still significantly increase body and muscle weight. So it obviously has abilities in nutrition partitioning, but here is what I don't understand about it.

If each nutrient you consume becomes more powerful, to what extent is is nutritional value enhanced? I've read that 50g of protein would equate to 200g, for example. Is this possible, or is this just a misinterpretation of how increased nutrition efficency works? Just seems impossible and overstated to me.

Its the feed efficiency that helps as well. Tren allows less food to create more muscle tissue essentially. As far as the ratio increase you mentioned above, I have never heard a definitive number. I suspect it would be very individualized.

[mockery]

For many gyno is a coming of age ritual for body builders.

The anabolic rating of drugs was to dumb down for the average joe showing that weak steroids like mast was MG per mg as strong as test but people were dosing wrong.

Tren is often fake with adding iodine into test to change teh color, or people getting estrogen based fina pellets making a vial cocktail.

Caber is a serious drug that can be great and can also harm you for life and for those who have used prami probably can relate that gyno is better then the sides you get from prami

With more collective thinking and reseach and cheap people taking risks, the collective thinking now is if you keep your e2 levels in check, PR related gyno is pretty non exsistant. If you are gyno prone, sometimes you cant do much... you are in bad luck.

[Igifuno]

Its the feed efficiency that helps as well. Tren allows less food to create more muscle tissue essentially. As far as the ratio increase you mentioned above, I have never heard a definitive number. I suspect it would be very individualized.

All very interesting.. I would love to see some studies outlining the specifics in detail.

[AnabolicBoy1981]

5x as androgenic doesnt mean 5x as estrogenic