First cycle. Too long?

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 05:37 PM

Hey everyone. I'm going to be running my first cycle early next year, this is what I was going to run - weeks 1-15 500mg test, weeks 1-6 50mg Tbol ED, weeks 9-15 50mg anavar . A friend told me 15 weeks is too long. Why do you guys think? Also I was going to get some HCG , nolva, clinic d

**DeadlyD** · 12-26-2013, 05:44 PM

Please post full stats and experience.
Typically a first cycle would be test only, and yes 15 weeks is a bit long, test e would be from 12-14 weeks.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2013, 05:52 PM

i wouldnt go 15 weeks either, 10- 12 is fine and stick to 1 compound for first cycle

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 06:36 PM

Age 22, I know it's young

Height 5'9
Weight 200lbs
Bf% probably 17%

I'm going to be eating real clean up until and during my cycle.

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 06:37 PM

And also I'm looking for really clean, quality gain with low water retention.

**Cuz** · 12-26-2013, 06:39 PM

really too young by the guidelines...but 12 weeks is enough, 500mg/week test only along with an AI,HCG , and pct protocol

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

really too young by the guidelines...but 12 weeks is enough, 500mg/week test only along with an AI,HCG, and pct protocol

No anavar at the end at all?

**Cuz** · 12-26-2013, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

No anavar at the end at all?

While most folks don't adhere to many "harsh" side effects of anavar other than just some bad pumps, its still advised only to run test as your first time. I know the itch is there, but var really aint gonna help you since you are 17 BF you say

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by chadcuz1985

While most folks don't adhere to many "harsh" side effects of anavar other than just some bad pumps, its still advised only to run test as your first time. I know the itch is there, but var really aint gonna help you since you are 17 BF you say

I was just looking for the tightness of var. like I said I'm going to be eating clean and hitting cardio 4-5 times per week during my cycle to shed some fat. And yeah I will be getting HCG , AI and some nolva.

**Cuz** · 12-26-2013, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

I was just looking for the tightness of var. like I said I'm going to be eating clean and hitting cardio 4-5 times per week during my cycle to shed some fat. And yeah I will be getting HCG, AI and some nolva.

until you drop to 12-14% not worth the $ money right now imo.

**DeadlyD** · 12-26-2013, 08:12 PM

You would be very surprised at what test alone can do!! With proper training and a perfect diet you can achieve your goals!

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 08:15 PM

Thanks all. I think I'll just do a test only cycle then.. 12 weeks at 500 a week with HCG and a pct. is AI 100% necessary? I know a few guys who just keep some arimidex on hand in case they start seeing gyno and too much water retention

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2013, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

Thanks all. I think I'll just do a test only cycle then.. 12 weeks at 500 a week with HCG and a pct. is AI 100% necessary? I know a few guys who just keep some arimidex on hand in case they start seeing gyno and too much water retention

yes it needed, waiting for sides is not the correct way to do it

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

yes it needed, waiting for sides is not the correct way to do it

But can't AI's inhibit your gains?

**Cuz** · 12-26-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

But can't AI's inhibit your gains?

you have been told to run an AI. Armidex .25mg eod or aromasin 12.5mg eod.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-26-2013, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by newguy92

But can't AI's inhibit your gains?

if used correctly no they dont. Even if they did a tiny percentage it would be nothing you could notice and the the risk out weigh the benefits of using it.

Honestly and no offense this is beginner thinking. I'm going to add this to look harder i wont take this cause it may hurt gains. Your diet and training will make or hurt gains more then any drug you can take

**newguy92** · 12-26-2013, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

if used correctly no they dont. Even if they did a tiny percentage it would be nothing you could notice and the the risk out weigh the benefits of using it.

Honestly and no offense this is beginner thinking. I'm going to add this to look harder i wont take this cause it may hurt gains. Your diet and training will make or hurt gains more then any drug you can take

Why would I take offence.. I am a beginner and yeah I think like a beginner lol. That's why I'm here trying to learn! Anyways thanks for the help.

**kelkel** · 12-26-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

if used correctly no they dont. Even if they did a tiny percentage it would be nothing you could notice and the the risk out weigh the benefits of using it.

Honestly and no offense this is beginner thinking. I'm going to add this to look harder i wont take this cause it may hurt gains. Your diet and training will make or hurt gains more then any drug you can take

Exactly this ^^.

Take the time to read the sticky threads and self educate more. Particularly Austinites Educational Articles. Avoid the bro-science that runs rampant.