First cycle help

**BeastMooode** · 12-29-2013, 12:15 PM

Age 22, weight 171, height 5ft 7

Hi guys, I thought you may be able to give me some advice.

In terms of adding mass, would 300mg of test e only give me decent results if diet / training is in check of course? Or would I require a higher dose? I thought that since it is a first cycle it may be sufficient.

I friend of mine said I should try a blend he has which is 150mg test e, 150mg tren e, and 150mg mast per ml. He recommended 2 ml. I thought that would be a bit harsh and am considering doing 1ml of it if it would be better than the test only.

Would be great if some of you could help. Thanks in advance

**Lunk1** · 12-29-2013, 12:51 PM

Are you fully aware of the risks of using steroids at your age?

**BeastMooode** · 12-29-2013, 12:59 PM

yep. I suppose its good that people here are concerned about it though

**Lunk1** · 12-29-2013, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by BeastMooode

yep. I suppose its good that people here are concerned about it though

Most of us are extremely concerned about the overall health of our members. To the degree that very few can have a good conscience about helping someone potentially endanger their health by using steroids before their fully developed.

Just out of curiosity, what do you believe the risk is to your health by cycling at an early age?

**jgrayson60** · 12-29-2013, 02:25 PM

From my research You should do test only cycle for beginners, I would stay away from tren , it seems a bit crazy.

**bigbuilder250** · 12-29-2013, 05:40 PM

I would start out with test and dbol . No more than 500 mgs a week of test, and no more than 30 mgs a day of dbol. Great starter cycle.

**BeastMooode** · 12-29-2013, 05:48 PM

Thanks for the advice, though I've already got this blend :/

**fit2bOld** · 12-29-2013, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by BeastMooode

Thanks for the advice, though I've already got this blend :/

Then I guess there is no reason to continue to help you as your decision was already made.
Sorry for the damage your about to do to yourself

**MuscleInk** · 12-29-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Then I guess there is no reason to continue to help you as your decision was already made.
Sorry for the damage your about to do to yourself

^^^Don't you just love the threads with a pretense that OP is looking for advice when all they want is affirmation that doing something wrong is right. Lmao

**fit2bOld** · 12-29-2013, 07:49 PM

Just crazy MI. What can we do at this point?

**gixxerboy1** · 12-29-2013, 07:52 PM

Not only is that a bad first cycle in general, but using it in a blend is even worse. So way to make a mistake 10x worse

**MuscleInk** · 12-29-2013, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Just crazy MI. What can we do at this point?

It's frustrating, especially when the "brain trust" on this board is a wealth of real life experience and nearly endless knowledge. It's a shame some aren't humble enough to learn from those who have lived the lifestyle longer and really do have the safety and best interests of young members at heart.

I guess we can offer the best advice we can and try to support them when their cycles don't turn out as planned.

**fit2bOld** · 12-29-2013, 08:09 PM

Then we get guy like big builder telling him it's ok and by the way add some dball.

**Oki-Des** · 12-29-2013, 08:20 PM

No one who gives a crap about you would sell you tren at this early stage. Sorry, but its true. They either don't know what they are doing or they don't care what happens to you. This is not what you should be starting out with. You can listen to the guy who made a few bucks off of you or you can listen to the hundreds of people who will gain nothing financially by steering you in another direction. Just by common sense you should know that there is no benefit for anyone here to steer you in the wrong direction. Think about it. We have all made mistakes and you seem close to making one yourself. You wont be the first, but someday I hope you are not trying to help someone else who wont listen to you either as we all have to make our own mistakes. Think how advanced we might be as a species if we actually had the ability to learn from others mistakes. Good luck.

**MuscleInk** · 12-29-2013, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Then we get guy like big builder telling him it's ok and by the way add some dball.

I agree, it can be aggravating. I've seen threads with new members, less than 23 years old, offering advice as if they've been involved in anabolics for 20+ years.

My hope is that some new members are open minded enough to do a thorough amount of research, weigh risks and benefits equally, and make a truly informed decision and one that puts health and well being ahead of vanity.

I know, the vast majority of us here use anabolics for purely vanity reasons and I have no complaints about that (heck, it's one of the reasons I use anabolics as well!!!!!). My greater concern is with guys that think they must be the next Mr. O sensation overnight and will sacrifice their health for unrealistic goals.

The advanced, knowledgable members here know and truly understand that this is an iterative process that takes time. You gain and cut fat and improve your physique through diet, training, and anabolic supplementation over several years, NOT over night.

Unfortunately, many new members are disillusioned that success will come from a single cycle and that nutrition and training are merely after thoughts.

**fit2bOld** · 12-29-2013, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

I agree, it can be aggravating. I've seen threads with new members, less than 23 years old, offering advice as if they've been involved in anabolics for 20+ years.

My hope is that some new members are open minded enough to do a thorough amount of research, weigh risks and benefits equally, and make a truly informed decision and one that puts health and well being ahead of vanity.

I know, the vast majority of us here use anabolics for purely vanity reasons and I have no complaints about that (heck, it's one of the reasons I use anabolics as well!!!!!). My greater concern is with guys that think they must be the next Mr. O sensation overnight and will sacrifice their health for unrealistic goals.

The advanced, knowledgable members here know and truly understand that this is an iterative process that takes time. You gain and cut fat and improve your physique through diet, training, and anabolic supplementation over several years, NOT over night.

Unfortunately, many new members are disillusioned that success will come from a single cycle and that nutrition and training are merely after thoughts.

Vanity user as well but have enough gray hair to make smart choices.

**MuscleInk** · 12-29-2013, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Vanity user as well but have enough gray hair to make smart choices.

Shaved my gray off.

Still struggling to make all the right choices. Lol

**Igifuno** · 12-30-2013, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Shaved my gray off.

Still struggling to make all the right choices. Lol

Id have to shave my whole head to get all the gray.

**BeastMooode** · 12-30-2013, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Then I guess there is no reason to continue to help you as your decision was already made.
Sorry for the damage your about to do to yourself

Well believe it or not I've decided to trust you guys and just go with test e for 10 weeks instead. I'll maybe just keep this bottle and run it at a low dose for a 3rd cycle or something.

Out of curiosity, what is it about tren that makes it so harsh? I hear of people who tolerate really well, but would never touch dbol ! I think it would be good to hear from people who have had experience with it, good and bad.

**BeastMooode** · 12-31-2013, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Oki-Des

No one who gives a crap about you would sell you tren at this early stage. Sorry, but its true. They either don't know what they are doing or they don't care what happens to you. This is not what you should be starting out with. You can listen to the guy who made a few bucks off of you or you can listen to the hundreds of people who will gain nothing financially by steering you in another direction. Just by common sense you should know that there is no benefit for anyone here to steer you in the wrong direction. Think about it. We have all made mistakes and you seem close to making one yourself. You wont be the first, but someday I hope you are not trying to help someone else who wont listen to you either as we all have to make our own mistakes. Think how advanced we might be as a species if we actually had the ability to learn from others mistakes. Good luck.

Nice post, really good point. I think I'll accept that I don't need something that strong yet and just go with test. Thanks

**fit2bOld** · 12-31-2013, 08:17 AM

So beast if your going to do the test lay out the complete cycle including AI, pct.

**songdog** · 12-31-2013, 06:17 PM

More guys have had their bodies messed up by listening to a friend or some guy at the gym.Your best friend is RESEARCH! This way you know for yourself wat your are doing.We are only here to guide you and not let to hurt yourself.Good luck!

**pumping_iron86** · 01-02-2014, 01:17 AM

I enjoy reading these forums. Good to know theres solid knowledgeable back up out there. No experience w gear myself and will soon go for my first cycle after consulting all of yall but thatll be another thread another day...