First cycle need to know if I'm gtg

[MurphDawgg485]

30 ML of Test E (preferable 250mg-300mg per liter)

Nolvadex -20mg tabs will need 28 of um

Clomid tabs 28 50mg tabs

HCG 5000iu vials (need 2 of these)

Anastrozole

3 2ml syringes and 45 2.5cm needles and one larger needle for drawing the product in the syrange

From what I understand HCG is dosed at 250 iu 2x a week starting 3rd week of cycle

And Anastrozole is started from the first injection.

Here are my questions

How often am I taking anastrozole during cycle, and how much?

WTF is an IU and how do I measure out 250 correctly?
Is HcG an injectable?

Am I going overboard with getting HCG and armostanze? Is it needed for a safe run or just stick to the test E and proper pct?

Is 15 weeks a good run for this cye?

PCT is just Nolva and clomid beginning 13 days after last injection. Running for 4 weeks clomid at 50mg and nolvadex at 20mg.

After answering questions, does everything look good here? Will I need any kind of natty test booster after PCT is finished?


If my math is right this will run between $400-500 for everything, yes? Anyway guys thanks in advance for the help. Again this will be my first cycle and been doing Alot of research.

Thanks a lot in advance

[Igifuno]

You'll want to edit the source request.. this is not a source board. Be careful of scammers who may reach out to you.

[gixxerboy1]

like said above, edit out you talk of sites and prices.

HCG comes in different strengths. And depending on how you dilute it. Also you use an insulin syringe for it. not the same syringe type as the steroids .

What are your stats?

[MurphDawgg485]

like said above, edit out you talk of sites and prices.

Hcg comes in different strengths. And depending on how you dilute it. Also you use an insulin syringe for it. Not the same syringe type as the steroids .

What are your stats?

6'2, 248, 13-14% bf

[Igifuno]

damn dude, impressive stats.. post up some pics.

You forgot the edit part.

[MurphDawgg485]

Trying to figure out how to take pics ill edit it real quick

[MurphDawgg485]

Just uploaded pic for avatar. it's me in avatar pic

[MurphDawgg485]

Headed to bed now gotta be up in a few hours.

[MuscleInk]

damn dude, impressive stats.. post up some pics.

You forgot the edit part.

Hard to tell from the avatar, but looks more than 14% to me. Maybe better pics with front, side, back, and legs would be more definitive. Based on the avatar alone it looks more than 14%.

[MurphDawgg485]

Haha thanks? It's a guesstimate. Anyway I have yet to hear anyone answer some of my questions lol and may switch anastrozole to armidex, thoughts? And what you think my bf is at?

[mockery]

16.9% i used the add image to body fat calculator.

but if your calves and hams are shredded then you just hold alot of fat in your torso and you could be 14%

[gixxerboy1]

Haha thanks? It's a guesstimate. Anyway I have yet to hear anyone answer some of my questions lol and may switch anastrozole to armidex, thoughts? And what you think my bf is at?

i answered some of your about hcg
anastrozol is arimdex
what other questions are you asking
i would say your 18% or so

[MurphDawgg485]

Is 18% to high to run a cycle? I'm interested in safety with my first cycle

[gixxerboy1]

Is 18% to high to run a cycle? I'm interested in safety with my first cycle

allot of people recommend 15%, but also depends on your goal of the cycle. If your looking to bulk and starting at 18% its only going to get higher

[MurphDawgg485]

That kind of blows... But ill just look that much more swole when I do a cutting cycle 6 months after I run the test haha

[MurphDawgg485]

Anyway I don't plan on running anything for a solid 6 more weeks just getting everything together. Or trying to anyway

[DanB]

allot of people recommend 15%, but also depends on your goal of the cycle. If your looking to bulk and starting at 18% its only going to get higher

also people are aware of the reason for the 15% i dont think they understand the relationship between excess bodyfat and estrogen while on cycle, actually so you think i should put something together about that over next few days so people will have a better understanding and it isnt simple broscience that inexpeienced members claim it to be

I1ll do it one one condition, and its down to you gix my boy, post more pics somewhere, i have too much test in my body and the lack of women posted up really has me losing faith in this place lol

seriously though do you think i should put something together so the inexperienced may actually learn something from it

[gixxerboy1]

That kind of blows... But ill just look that much more swole when I do a cutting cycle 6 months after I run the test haha

and you will look that much fatter and be unhealthier until you cut

[gixxerboy1]

also people are aware of the reason for the 15% i dont think they understand the relationship between excess bodyfat and estrogen while on cycle, actually so you think i should put something together about that over next few days so people will have a better understanding and it isnt simple broscience that inexpeienced members claim it to be

I1ll do it one one condition, and its down to you gix my boy, post more pics somewhere, i have too much test in my body and the lack of women posted up really has me losing faith in this place lol

seriously though do you think i should put something together so the inexperienced may actually learn something from it

i think it would be a good thing to write up

[DanB]

i think it would be a good thing to write up

gimme few days, week, time is limited, working NYE then back to the doors on 2nd jaunary, I'll put something together and let you ctitique it before its posted, I know i'll get a straight answer out of you if changes need to be made lol

[MurphDawgg485]

I didn't realize I was considered fat and unhealthy lol. I kind of thought I was in pretty descent shape for being natty. Bummer...

[gixxerboy1]

I didn't realize I was considered fat and unhealthy lol. I kind of thought I was in pretty descent shape for being natty. Bummer...

you misunderstood me, if you start bulking more it can be an issue. There is more then just looks. Higher estrogen issues, blood pressure

[SteveUK]

30 ML of Test E (preferable 250mg-300mg per liter)

Nolvadex -20mg tabs will need 28 of um

Clomid tabs 28 50mg tabs

HCG 5000iu vials (need 2 of these)

Anastrozole

3 2ml syringes and 45 2.5cm needles and one larger needle for drawing the product in the syrange

From what I understand HCG is dosed at 250 iu 2x a week starting 3rd week of cycle

And Anastrozole is started from the first injection.

Here are my questions

How often am I taking anastrozole during cycle, and how much?

WTF is an IU and how do I measure out 250 correctly?
Is HcG an injectable?

Am I going overboard with getting HCG and armostanze? Is it needed for a safe run or just stick to the test E and proper pct?

Is 15 weeks a good run for this cye?

PCT is just Nolva and clomid beginning 13 days after last injection. Running for 4 weeks clomid at 50mg and nolvadex at 20mg.

After answering questions, does everything look good here? Will I need any kind of natty test booster after PCT is finished?


If my math is right this will run between $400-500 for everything, yes? Anyway guys thanks in advance for the help. Again this will be my first cycle and been doing Alot of research.

Thanks a lot in advance

You look and sound good to go, You don't need to run an AI on cycle certainly not on low doses, you can and should have it on hand for unwanted side effects, same with HCG it is not needed at all but has benefits. I would guess bf around 16-18%, Just get a good diet in place, keep it as clean as you can and you will not have a problem.

[gixxerboy1]

You look and sound good to go, You don't need to run an AI on cycle certainly not on low doses, you can and should have it on hand for unwanted side effects, same with HCG it is not needed at all but has benefits. I would guess bf around 16-18%, Just get a good diet in place, keep it as clean as you can and you will not have a problem.

you dont need an ai? Really tell me why?

[SteveUK]

you dont need an ai? Really tell me why?

You don't need to run one on a low dose cycle no. You can have one on hand for sides and use if needed. In my experience over the last decade adex actullay slows gains when not on high dose cycles.

Edit. And who can forget the dry sore joints. You guys are crazy if you are taking adex on every cycle.

[gixxerboy1]

You don't need to run one on a low dose cycle no. You can have one on hand for sides and use if needed. In my experience over the last decade adex actullay slows gains when not on high dose cycles.

only if you take to much of an ai for the dose you are taking and crash your estrogen levels
I know people on trt doses of test who require a high dose of ai's to keep estrogen levels normal.
Raised estrogen has health risk you cant feel so keeping one on hand until you have an issue is really meaningless

[SteveUK]

only if you take to much of an ai for the dose you are taking and crash your estrogen levels
I know people on trt doses of test who require a high dose of ai's to keep estrogen levels normal.
Raised estrogen has health risk you cant feel so keeping one on hand until you have an issue is really meaningless

Well if your willing to settle for less gains an sore joints, just cause you may need it adex is the one. I guess each to there own. I personally wouldn't use adex. Aromasin is my choice any day but not on a low dose of test.

[gixxerboy1]

Well if your willing to settle for less gains an sore joints, just cause you may need it adex is the one. I guess each to there own. I personally wouldn't use adex. Aromasin is my choice any day but not on a low dose of test.

You will only have that if you.lower your estrogen to much. Not if you keep your estrogen in a normal range.
Your estrogen will be raised on that dose of test.

[SteveUK]

You will only have that if you.lower your estrogen to much. Not if you keep your estrogen in a normal range.
Your estrogen will be raised on that dose of test.

So you would take adex every cycle? And test your estrogen every week? I really don't understand how you would test your estrogen to keep it at safe levels. To me 0.25 adex ed for a week my joints are sore gains stop and I dry out way too much.

[gixxerboy1]

So you would take adex every cycle? And test your estrogen every week? I really don't understand how you would test your estrogen to keep it at safe levels. To me 0.25 adex ed for a week my joints are sore gains stop and I dry out way too much.

well everyone requires a different dose. I have had bloodwork done, so i know ruffly what i need for what it take.
You need to get blood work done, how do you know your taking the correct about if your on a high dose of test cycle?
apparently .25 ed is to much for you. Everyone is different on a normal 500mg cycle .25 e3d is fine for me. I know guys that need 1mg ed. So to tell someone not to take it cause they are on a low dose is irresponsible IMO

[SteveUK]

well everyone requires a different dose. I have had bloodwork done, so i know ruffly what i need for what it take.
You need to get blood work done, how do you know your taking the correct about if your on a high dose of test cycle?
apparently .25 ed is to much for you. Everyone is different on a normal 500mg cycle .25 e3d is fine for me. I know guys that need 1mg ed. So to tell someone not to take it cause they are on a low dose is irresponsible IMO

Yea ok and also telling someone to use something that can have such a negative effect is also irresponsible. I was just giving my experience, how anyone uses that info is up to them.

[gixxerboy1]

Yea ok and also telling someone to use something that can have such a negative effect is also irresponsible. I was just giving my experience, how anyone uses that info is up to them.

you should read this
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-swifto.html

[MurphDawgg485]

Thanks everyone

[Cuz]

check out austinites hcg thread, will help you figure that stuff out its a good read

[fit2bOld]

Gixx is spot on. My TRT protocol requires .25mg arimadex daily. So SteveUK your advice should be what your experience is and not to recommend what works for you as what's correct.

Most recommendations as to estrogen control are very middle of the road and designed to keep the user from developing sides and not rescuing them after the fact.

[MurphDawgg485]

So from what I understand get armidex as oppose to anastrozole (I know there the same thing. Run .25mg tabs every 2-3 days and check blood work around week 8 to know what my body needs? (Still don't understand how to read the damn blood work chart and apply it as far as how to dose armidex) and the HCG , I'm going to run it because very rarely do I read a post since 2010 that someone doesn't incorporate it in there cycle. Running it at 250 IU 2x a week on the same day as injection sound about right? Again I keep reading on this HCG shiznit and am getting more and more confused, I need to purchase something else to sterolize it? Can someone please elaborate on this? And also from the vets, start the armidex 3rd week into cycle as well or start HCG and armidex within 24 hours of first injection???

Kind of a noob on the bloodwork as well, all I know is to get it checked before cycle, mid cycle and after PCT, however I do not know how to understand the charts and see if everything is going as planned. Is there a vet here willing to hell a newbie with the bloodwork charts when I start in the next 6-8 weeks. ****Also, how to do I go about asking doctor for bloodwork without making it obvious I'm about to juice?

[kelkel]

Adex has a half life of roughly 50 hrs. Normal 500mg test cycle the AI dosage is usually .25 EOD, but this is subjective.
An example of proper BW is in the Finding A Doc Sticky Thread in the HRT Forum.
Check out Peptide Calculator | Research Peptides | Protein Synthesis for help with dosing your hcg .
On a twice per week test injection cycle just dose your hcg on whatever days you like. Not that important which days, just split them up.
If HCG is purchased from a reliable distributor is should come with all you need.
Start your adex the day after your first injection, imho.
Check out private md labs .com for private BW without a doctor. Put it together and search it up.
Just post your BW up here on this thread.
Read austinites educational articles sticky threads please.

[SteveUK]

Gixx is spot on. My TRT protocol requires .25mg arimadex daily. So SteveUK your advice should be what your experience is and not to recommend what works for you as what's correct.

Most recommendations as to estrogen control are very middle of the road and designed to keep the user from developing sides and not rescuing them after the fact.

My advice was what my experience is. Adex slows gains and causes joint pain. Even without the join pain the reduced estrogen slows gains. I'm talking about guys over a Decade of juicing including myself. And no one should be recommending a compound that reduces gains on cycle. I maybe new here but I have seen adex many times cause problems an reduce gains. I stand by what I said and anyone taking adex should make sure there not killing there gains and throwing money away. And I don't need to read a thread about ai on cycle I have the experience to know adex is not what you wanna be using on cycle, maybe I you where really side effect prone but that's a diff story.

[gixxerboy1]

My advice was what my experience is. Adex slows gains and causes joint pain. Even without the join pain the reduced estrogen slows gains. I'm talking about guys over a Decade of juicing including myself. And no one should be recommending a compound that reduces gains on cycle. I maybe new here but I have seen adex many times cause problems an reduce gains. I stand by what I said and anyone taking adex should make sure there not killing there gains and throwing money away. And I don't need to read a thread about ai on cycle I have the experience to know adex is not what you wanna be using on cycle, maybe I you where really side effect prone but that's a diff story.

Apparently you do need to read it, because if your not recommending use of an ai, based off of you dosing incorrectly that isnt good advise.

And thats coming from guys with over a decade of experience and actual research.

[fit2bOld]

HCG on cycle? Yes
250iu 2x wk? Yes
It is a sterile product mixed with bac water. All is sterile and taken by subQ injection in the belly fat.
Blood work can be done by privatelabs or some other online blood work companies.
Your primary can do blood work as well ask for a full lipid panel and a full hormone panel including E2.
There is a stickie in the Hrt section detailed for blood work. Look at that
Mid cycle you can just do the estrogen to save money as this is what always causes all the sides wether it's to high or low and you can adjust your protocol accordingly.