Newbie questions.

**emdoc111** · 01-01-2014, 07:07 PM

Happy New Year!

I am new to these forums, but have been browsing for awhile now. I've tried absorbing all I can from reading around, but I still have a few questions.

Given the subject matter, I suppose I should share where I'm coming from so you know the important information.

I am 25, male, 5'10", 140 lbs.

I am wanting some advice on where I should start if I want to start a steroid cycle geared towards bulking for a beginner. I have previously used a steroid through the advice and guidance of a friend of mine, and that is the only experience I have had. He was a wealth of information when I got curious, which I did, and also did the favor of injecting it as I am a giant ***** for stuff like that. In the process, I grew appreciative of the drive it gave in the gym, and had some appreciable retention once I cycled off.

I've read about taking them, how to cycle on and off, and how to protect one's self after a cycle. I'm just curious as to what really is the best. Of all I've learned from browsing around, I can never tell what's advertising/sponsorship fluff, and what is credible product reviews.

So, for someone very obviously new, what is a good, healthy bulk stack look like right now?

**songdog** · 01-01-2014, 07:29 PM

Bro you are way under weight.AAS wont do a thing for you.Wat you really need to do is learn how to eat.The diet section can help with this.And once you get your diet under control.Then you will be on your way at building a foundation to build on.But juicing at this point would be a waste.Beacuse you wont keep anything you gain if you gain anything at all.So hit the diet section and post your diet.They will put you on your way to packing it on.And yes everyone can gain weight.They just need to eat right.Good luck!

**Oki-Des** · 01-01-2014, 07:45 PM

Songdog is right. Of course you could take some test and gain about 15 lbs of water weight, but when you stop you will lose it. When I was your age I actually weighed less than you by about 17 lbs! Now I weigh well over 200; but it is definitely a process. I know it sucks when you don't get the info you want, but this doesn't mean you cant reach your goals. We are just trying to give you the honest way to get there.
Good luck!

**emdoc111** · 01-02-2014, 01:25 AM

I know it sucks when you don't get the info you want, but this doesn't mean you cant reach your goals. We are just trying to give you the honest way to get there.

Well, I mean, yea. But I also would only expect as much. Anytime someone hears my weight, it's generally the same responses. It's shitty knowing that I need a better diet before anything else, but it's also just a fact.

With that said, I'm also not trying to get huge. If I gained 20 pounds over the next YEAR, and only kept 10 of it after water loss, I'd be pretty ecstatic. And the reality is I could probably do that with protein, creatine, and a proper diet. However, it's the drive and the desire to stick with it, and keep pushing myself.

My main objective is to build some strength, put on a little bulk, and keep myself active in the gym. My biggest issue, however, is keeping myself motivated. Being a full-time student, as well as working full-time, makes it a little difficult to have that extra desire to get into the gym at midnight after having just worked a double with studying in between shifts. So, really, what I am most interested in is the extra drive to lift that steroids have given me in the past. However, I don't want to do so with blindfolders on, and I like having some idea of what I'm getting into, especially when it comes to putting stuff in my body.

Anyway, that turned into a long ass, unnecessary post. Still, I'd rather be honest and let you know why I'm here.

So, the shortened version is that I am aware I need a proper diet, which is something I am 100% willing and able to do, but I want to cycle onto some gear to help satisfy that need to get more motivation.

**MuscleInk** · 01-02-2014, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by emdoc111

Well, I mean, yea. But I also would only expect as much. Anytime someone hears my weight, it's generally the same responses. It's shitty knowing that I need a better diet before anything else, but it's also just a fact.

With that said, I'm also not trying to get huge. If I gained 20 pounds over the next YEAR, and only kept 10 of it after water loss, I'd be pretty ecstatic. And the reality is I could probably do that with protein, creatine, and a proper diet. However, it's the drive and the desire to stick with it, and keep pushing myself.

My main objective is to build some strength, put on a little bulk, and keep myself active in the gym. My biggest issue, however, is keeping myself motivated. Being a full-time student, as well as working full-time, makes it a little difficult to have that extra desire to get into the gym at midnight after having just worked a double with studying in between shifts. So, really, what I am most interested in is the extra drive to lift that steroids have given me in the past. However, I don't want to do so with blindfolders on, and I like having some idea of what I'm getting into, especially when it comes to putting stuff in my body.

Anyway, that turned into a long ass, unnecessary post. Still, I'd rather be honest and let you know why I'm here.

So, the shortened version is that I am aware I need a proper diet, which is something I am 100% willing and able to do, but I want to cycle onto some gear to help satisfy that need to get more motivation.

Honestly, if you need something to motivate you, steroids aren't the answer. Diet HAS TO come first. No steroid is going to motivate you or put weight on. You have to want to train and grow AND be willing to eat the calories that lead to growth. If you aren't eating more than your TDEE, you will not grow regardless of any steroid you use. Growth comes from food. Steroids simply help protein utilization when the food is there to promote growth, not the other way around.

Steroids do NOT make you grow. Food does. Steroids simply help the growth provide by the fuel you give your muscles.

**Java Man** · 01-02-2014, 03:23 AM

" So, the shortened version is that I am aware I need a proper diet, which is something I am 100% willing and able to do, but I want to cycle onto some gear to help satisfy that need to get more motivation."

What are you waiting for? you will gain 30lbs without steroids easily by next year just by eating like a bear and training hard and heavy. After that, gains will slow down but you can get to around 200 within a few years, still without steroids. By them, you will have all of your other tools honed in and you'll be ready to add the last and least important. I know you think this is bullshit because I did too when I was 25. It is absolutely true. Food, training, rest, steroids. In that order.

Gear won't help you right now. You have no base to work with and you don't have the eating for growth concept down yet. If you think by taking steroids you'll be 180lbs of solid muscle by next year, think again. It does not work like that.

**chester101** · 01-02-2014, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Honestly, if you need something to motivate you, steroids aren't the answer. Diet HAS TO come first. No steroid is going to motivate you or put weight on. You have to want to train and grow AND be willing to eat the calories that lead to growth. If you aren't eating more than your TDEE, you will not grow regardless of any steroid you use. Growth comes from food. Steroids simply help protein utilization when the food is there to promote growth, not the other way around.

Steroids do NOT make you grow. Food does. Steroids simply help the growth provide by the fuel you give your muscles.

I agree with op that sometimes its hard to get motivation especially when you think your eating good, you train hard but dont seem to get anywhere..... I was a skinny ass too, but did put a bit on naturally in early 30s.... but thats a long ass haul...... BUT.... I did find aas did motivate me, it was a case of 'I put this in my system.... I'm gonna reap the benefits'. But true motivation is what separates me (and op by the sound of it) and those guys with the physiques that we want!

**chaps** · 01-02-2014, 04:48 AM

Everyone is giving you the right advice: steroids won't give you any benefit over not taking steroids because your so under weight. 30lbs natural gains is completely possible for you in the first year.

Remember, you have to deal with sides on cycle. Hard to sleep, acne, small balls, reduced appetite to name a few. Will you get all these? Maybe maybe not. But why would you bother dealing with sides when you can get the same results without sides? And also save a few hundred dollars.

Don't be dumb. Listen to peoples advice.

**Java Man** · 01-02-2014, 05:02 AM

Youre missing a major, and probably the most important, key after food. The mental aspect. It is a process, learning that what you think is a lot of food really isn't, learning what training a muscle to failure really means, what pain really is and learning how to ignore it, mind muscle connection and honing that level of focus to a fine point and using that to build tissue. I could go on but why? These things are disciplines that must be learned over time. One can't expect to go from 140 to 180 or 190 etc. in a few months just based on aas usage. If a person starts training in a martial art today, they'd be a fool to think they'll make dan by next year. Bodybuilding is no different. Steroids aid repair and recovery. They don't build tissue in themselves.

**chester101** · 01-02-2014, 05:10 AM

^^^^^^ totally agree java, my point I was trying to get at was I was in same boat, thought I was eating good, training hard but lost motivation when not getting anywhere. I did a short sus/dec cycle in mid 30s (details not needed coz bad part of my life) but the gains I saw after a few weeks made me train harder and eat more and more.... (even if the gains were water).
Op..... these guys are seasoned vets go with the food option first... set a 6mth goal.... weigh yourself every 2 weeks and notice that 1lb/2lb/3lb gain... use that as your motivation. Good luck bro

**Java Man** · 01-02-2014, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by chester101

^^^^^^ totally agree java, my point I was trying to get at was I was in same boat, thought I was eating good, training hard but lost motivation when not getting anywhere. I did a short sus/dec cycle in mid 30s (details not needed coz bad part of my life) but the gains I saw after a few weeks made me train harder and eat more and more.... (even if the gains were water).
Op..... these guys are seasoned vets go with the food option first... set a 6mth goal.... weigh yourself every 2 weeks and notice that 1lb/2lb/3lb gain... use that as your motivation. Good luck bro

My post wasn't a reply to yours

You actually mentioned the mental aspect which is why I elaborated on it. I'm not perfect by any stretch. That's why I feel so strongly now about laying a foundation and learning how to build muscle without pharmaceutical aids before jumping into it. Jumping into the deep end first on this is not a good idea. I did that and could have paid a very high price. Luckily I did not suffer any of the long term effects that young people can get.