Second cycle

[BigBen86]

Hey guys haven't been here in a while! I did a cycle about 2 years ago of Test E for 14 weeks at 500mg a week.
The cycle went great probably put on 15 lbs and added a good amount of strength. I had what I thought was good Pct the standard Clomid at 100/100/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day 2 weeks after my last injection of test E.
Well it seemed bunk to me because my recovery was tough, lost about 20 lbs and I felt like I was doing everything else correctly(rest,eating right, workouts etc.)

Anyway I want to get on another cycle PCT is my number one priority right now
this is my plan
Weeks 1-12: 600mg test E
Weeks 3-14: 500iu HCG per week administered twice weekly (2x 250iu shots)
Weeks 14-18: Clomid at 75/50/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day
Also Arimidex .25 mg weeks 1-14 eod and adjusting from there as needed

[clarky.]

Hi ben few things run adex till wk 14 stop 1-2 days before pct starts and pct with test e is 14 days after last pin so that will start wk14 clomid 75,50,50,50, nolva 40,20,20,20. Was you pct stuff from your last cycle pharma grade ? and did you use hcg the last time ? and post up some stats

[BigBen86]

14 days is correct after test E thats what I did last time. messed that up while typing I guess. It was NOT pharma grade. So this time around thats what I'll be using. I did not use Hcg and after doing much research I believe it would really benefit me this cycle.
I'm 27
Lifting for about 7 years now, apron 14%BF 200 lbs 6" tall Tbody and gbrice you guys were a big help last time hopefully you see this thread !

[clarky.]

14 days is correct after test E thats what I did last time. messed that up while typing I guess. It was NOT pharma grade. So this time around thats what I'll be using. I did not use Hcg and after doing much research I believe it would really benefit me this cycle.
I'm 27
Lifting for about 7 years now, apron 14%BF 200 lbs 6" tall Tbody and gbrice you guys were a big help last time hopefully you see this thread !

You will be ok this time them with you pct stuff and with the hcg you will see a big difference

[BigBen86]

Thanks clarky I'm looking forward to a good cycle and a better pct.

[BigBen86]

Any more tips MODs/Vets?

[BigBen86]

Last bump on my behalf I'm curious on the HCG Ive read two conflicting things on how to run it
1.) run hcg till last shot of test
2.) run it till the first day of Clomid/Nolva

[derekkpapa1]

I asked this question in the past and answer was 3 days prior to pct

[Back In Black]

Last bump on my behalf I'm curious on the HCG Ive read two conflicting things on how to run it
1.) run hcg till last shot of test
2.) run it till the first day of Clomid/Nolva

I asked this question in the past and answer was 3 days prior to pct

^^this is correct.

Keep your pct as it is if you like but you should be fine with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva at 40/20/20/20

[BigBen86]

^^this is correct.

Keep your pct as it is if you like but you should be fine with clomid 75/50/50/50 and nolva at 40/20/20/20

Thanks Derek, Back in black why would running the clomid at a lower dose be fine? Is it because its my second cycle?

[Back In Black]

Thanks Derek, Back in black why would running the clomid at a lower dose be fine? Is it because its my second cycle?

Just because a higher dose isn't really needed. It's only a basic cycle so the lower amounts should be ok (and cheaper) but honestly do what you feel comfortable with.

[clarky.]

Thanks Derek, Back in black why would running the clomid at a lower dose be fine? Is it because its my second cycle?

High doses like 100mg can give you blurred vision and other vision problems and also make you very emotional

[derekkpapa1]

Clomid really messes me up at higher doses makes me emotional
Really fvcks me up so I run it lower on lower
It effects everyone different my not effect u at all at high dose
run a search on clomid sides
And you are running good basic cycle
Happy growing post before after stats

[BigBen86]

Just because a higher dose isn't really needed. It's only a basic cycle so the lower amounts should be ok (and cheaper) but honestly do what you feel comfortable with.

Ok Bib because it's basic, I should be ok and sh*t.... cheaper is always better lol! Thanks man

[BigBen86]

High doses like 100mg can give you blurred vision and other vision problems and also make you very emotional

Well, that doesn't sound like a good time at all thanks clarky

Clomid really messes me up at higher doses makes me emotional
Really fvcks me up so I run it lower on lower
It effects everyone different my not effect u at all at high dose
run a search on clomid sides
And you are running good basic cycle
Happy growing post before after stats

Derek Thanks, Im going to run it a little lower. to be safe. I can't wait to post the before and after stats. I Will probably keep a log.

Thanks fellas

[BigBen86]

Another question on this cycle, I put HCG weeks 1-14. The first 3 weeks I shouldn't need it right, so if I start at week 3 with HCG that would be goto go correct?
Also Thinking about running the Test 14 weeks instead. Would my plan look better like this?
Weeks 1-14: 600mg test E
Weeks 1-16: 500iu HCG per week administered twice weekly (2x 250iu shots)
Weeks 16-20: Clomid at 100/100/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day
Also Arimidex .25 mg weeks 1-14 eod and adjusting from there as needed

[BigBen86]

Is Hcg needed the first 3 weeks of Test e only?

[ken9]

Hello bb reading ur post you saying you lost 20 lbs and you put 15lbs while on cycle? that's kinda messed up right there
few things you should consider while on cycle and while natural ur not the same witch means ur workout ur diet ur program
if you lost that much on that cycle what makes you think you wont lose this time you know what you going to do now can you ?
Am saying this cus there so much effort money you will put on this but you saying you lost all
How long did you lose them after pct did you lose rapidly weight after pct ?
Or you maintained it for some time ?
P.s yes hcg is needed in every cycle but everyone got different option for me it is a must on every cycle

[BigBen86]

Hey ken, I forgot the exact numbers, But I had a great cycle with good gains. Pct was shit though. So I lost some of it. This time around, as I have said before, I'm making sure I have legit pct before anything. Back to my question though on the first 3 weeks should I take the Hcg? I'm unsure because Test E is a long ester common sense would say no, but I'm not an expert yet lol

[BigBen86]

cmon vets mods anyone? Is Hcg needed the first 3 weeks of Test e only?

[derekkpapa1]

IMO I would see nothing wrong with starting after 2nd week you are not talking and real difference in money
I use hcg from the get go but have heard people using after 2nd week
drop clomid to 75/50/50/25
It is good light first cycle no reason go that high

[BigBen86]

Thanks Derek, this would be my second cycle what do you think about running test e 14 weeks? instead 12

[derekkpapa1]

14 weeks would be okay reason people say 12 weeks is
after say 8 weeks gains stop and up would have to up the test intake
Also longer on the harder it is to come off
Also longer on equals longer off-you would half to wait atleast 4 months for next run

[ken9]

Just make it simple 12 weeks as preview post said the longer you on the longer you off and its hard to recover when your in long cycle

Also if you got money i suggest you to buy some bcas animal pak all that stuff you know only if u good cash u know extra cash its better to add more food just watch out to get fattter and fatter up everything as ur body isn't the same ur size increased the body needs more food now
you have experience since this is ur second cycle try maintain some of the weight u will get from the cycle good luck with cycle hope everything goes just perfect for you Bigben keep us upated on ur cycle how it's going for you.
Cheers!