when it comes to adding muscle mass does tren do the job far better than deca ???
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when it comes to adding muscle mass does tren do the job far better than deca ???
No..
do you mind going into more detail please austine
Well it's such a broad question, flyguy. I just answered broadly, which would apply for any 2 steroids being compared. I couldnt tell you much about Trenbolone, but apparently it's a great nutrient partition-er. So unless you master managing water retention, tren might be a better choice if you can handle the side effects. Otherwise, if you ask me, there isn't a better steroid out there than Deca.
Yea tren takes a piss all over deca, masteron walks the dog on primo and testosterone takes a shit all over equipoise, there you have it.
I can not speak for deca since I have never used it. I have however, used tren. Tren was excellent for bulking lean mass. The best I have ever used. Tren is far more androgenic and anabolic than deca however, I don't know that is pisses on deca. From everything I have read and seen you will still make excellent gains on deca.
ive used deca before and thought it was prety good, however ive never used tren so feel like i should give it a go, its just when i think of tren "cutting" always comes to mind with that drug. what i guess i meant to say was is tren a better bulking compound than deca ???
I used tren while bulking and was not disappointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy6661
Bulking or cutting is determined by diet not drug
very true gixerboy however i will have to slightly disagree there, if someone was bulking and taking anavar or someone was bulking and using anadrol on anadrol you would gain more mass. certain steroids i think you would use for bulking and certain you would use for cutting. like masteron for example i havent heard anyone using this in a bulk cycle only ever used in a cutting phase. although i agree diet is key, but certain steroids are better for certain goals.
This is true, but there are better choices of compounds to run based on diet choice of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
is tren better than deca then when bulking ? same diet, same programme, 400mg tren vs 600mg deca for bulking, which would win ?
in term of total weight gain I would say deca, in term of lean body mass gain i think both would be pretty similar, in term of fat gain tren would make you drop BF. in term of water weight, deca would give more gain.
Thats my opinion based on what I know, I never used any of those two.
There's nothing better than tren for lean gains IMO. But there's nothing that has as bad of sides as tren does either.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy6661
I seriously doubt many people even know what "Lean Gains" are ... Bunch of gym talk. Get a dexa scan and find out.
technically yes, but im concerned about adding muscle not water and fat. So just making up numbers but if tren adds 5lbs of muscle, but deca adds 5lbs of muscle and 5lbs of water. is deca better because you added more weight?Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy6661
it wont out mass deca, but tren tends to give harder looking muscle mass, deca a liitle puffier. all tren is, basically modified nandrolone anyway, hence the cutting possibilities if proper diet is used like mentioned.
I do. I do!Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
I love tren ace winstrol and anavar stack i read the steroid handbook, its a very small 8 week cycle tren and win taken at 150mg for the first 4 weeks then tren up to 225mg per week, i added anavar 40mg per day and it was very nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy6661
Tren makes me recuperate so fast and i am 41 i could not believe how much energy i had on it and i could train for a long time too, its really that good. There is no water retention either and at the small dosage no bitch tits cause by prolactin so i did not have to take prami (that stuff makes me feel like total crap)
This year i am going natural at least for a while but if i ever do another cycle its going to be that one nothing beats this for muscle maturity and lean gains i gained about 3 pounds but my body changed radically with a good diet and carb cycling.
I get bloodwork often because I like good health. I have used both compounds (tren and deca). I have bloodwork while running both compounds. I will never use tren again. Anybody who cares about their long term health should examine why tren is only used in cattle etc. not humans. I don't know of a single country that allows tren to be administered to humans.
I've run about 3/4 of the common aas compounds talked about most commonly here at least once. Tren is the only one of those I won't use anymore. That includes orals.
I personally like what deca/test do for me as a base. I don't use only test as a base. Test/Deca + ? - tren. Tren didn't do much more for me than deca, but it did do more. The sides aren't worth it IMO. I'm not talking about 'feel' sides like being hot and sweaty, insomnia, etc. or visual sides such as blotchy skin or acne. Who cares about those. Deal with it. They go away. I'm talking about internal sides like blood and organ effects.
Both are great. You can you can use Deca without being a bloated mess. And you can easily use Tren and be a bloated mess. Obviously Tren doesn't aromatize but I've seen plenty of guys bulk with Tren and look like balloons because they were gorging on food all day. Gorge on more than you need = bloated. Or equals fatter and you'll call it bloated, lol!
Anyway, like I said both are good. If I could only use one steroid though I'd go with Tren. And before some idiot says "well what about test?" test is a given and is like saying I'll be having food when I eat. But back to Tren...if I could only use one steroid for the rest of my life...Tren's a better all purpose steroid IMO. And I do not care what anyone says about this, I can eat more food when using Tren and gain less fat than I would if I weren't using Tren. And when dieting, the hardening is unbeatable.
Maybe learning how to build muscle without steroids would help you at your age, all your doing is building a foundation of sand which will cause you problems in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyguy6661
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Originally Posted by Java Man
I've ran tren twice. I've never had another anabolic compound (not even orals) produce such poor blood work results.
I didn't notice much in strength gains on tren. I felt like crap all the time (tired, lethargic, etc ). I struggled even in looking at food. But man did I look good.
I used Tren on my last cycle but actually stopped it early. The sides for me weren't bad with regards to night sweats or Trensominia and in fact were almost non-existent. The problem I had with Tren was that it turned me really miserable and unhappy. I was fighting so much with my wife and just always pissed off on it that I stopped it early. The strength gains were awesome and I did gain a good amount of lean muscle. I will prob. try it again during my cutting cycle in the spring/summer but run it at a lower dosage.
Do you put NPP in the same category as deca? 8'weeks of npp just as effective of 14 weeks of deca?Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
It's simple math: both diet and a combination of multiple drugs provides the best results. However, like marcus stated, you will lose the majority of those gains once you come off the drugs. In other words, if you are running test, tren and dbol ( one of the best stacks for size and strength), you will not be able to maintain all those gains once you have dropped back to using test only, and you will certainly lose most of those gains after PCT when you go off all drugs. The more drugs you use- the more size you lose upon cessation!
NPP and deca are the same steroid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Machdiesel
Okay, can tell you are a cheeky one.Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
What do you know about ester molecules, and how the affect mechanism of release, and integration into the blood stream?
An esters molecular length, and thus its weight does in fact, have an affect on what effects are achieved by the drug. Deca is nandrolone undecanoate, NPP is nandrolone phenyl propionate- yes they are both nandrolone, but NPP reacts much differently than Deca. Less water retention, faster onset, more strength gains, higher concentration of hormone available per mg, less side effects (no deca dick, but you wouldnt know about that- or would you? )
Get off your soap box, because technically you are correct, but in practicality, you are not.
Why would there be no deca dick ? Anyway I hate the term deca dick. The reason you get erectile dysfunction isn’t based on esters champ, sorry to disappoint. It’s simply because of prolactin related issues. Caused when using19nor steroidsQuote:
Originally Posted by rmill2110
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Originally Posted by rmill2110
Soap box? You're the one getting your panties in a bunch over a thread that's 4 years old.....
stellar first post man to call out a hall of famer whom has more real word experience/knowledge than you with all compounds related to bbing...the one on the soap box is you...how about introducing yourself in the new member forum that's usually people first post to say hello to everyone, not to try to have a pissing contest...Quote:
Originally Posted by rmill2110
I'm sensing a banned member troll...no introduction just strait to an argument...Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
This thread getting exciting ..grab the popcorn
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Originally Posted by flexxx
Flexxx you've been a member since 06 but only 30 posts! Stop being such a slacker, dammit.
Lol well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman
Wow wtf just realized how old this thread is lol....Just wanted to say - I guess I'm lucky cause I feel great on Tren. People talk about how shitty they feel and how poor their appetite is....The only sides I noticed when the full dose kicked in was difficulty falling asleep and increased aggression. Now that my body's achieved homeostasis I fall asleep and stay asleep with no problem, and even the aggression has leveled off. I would consider myself very good at controlling that to begin with, but overall I've noticed that those waves of anger I was getting (although controlling) have subsided..for the most part anyway lol..
The only thing I need to watch and am somewhat concerned about is the effect on my lipid profile. Someone in this thread, albeit it's 4 f*ckin years old lol, mentioned their bloods were WORSE on Tren than on orals...This got my attention and I will be watching this closely...But overall I agree, as Sgt Hartman so eloquently said, that Tren takes a piss all over Deca!