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Hey guys if anyone could please give me the heads up on the best way to run my cycle.
This is my second cycle... I cycle once every 1.5 years.
Stats:
Age: 23
Weight: 85kg/187lbs
Height: 176cm/5"9'
BF: 18%
Goals:
Muscle mass gain and fat loss possibly to single digits.
Gear:
40ml Trenbolone Acetate
60ml Testosterone Propionate
40ml Testosterone Enanthate
1 tub of Clen
AE - Arimidex and clomid
Any help is appreciated! Thanks!
How many prior cycles have you run? What is your planned nutrition (caloric intake and macros)? Are you planning to eat above or below your TDEE? These are more important and relevant questions to losing fat if that is your primary goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
Looks like you are running more short than long esters so why bother with test E?
AE? I think you mean AI.
Clomid is NOT an AI.
Where's your HCG?
Your PCT should be tamoxifen and clomiphene.
You should know these basic parameters if you cycled before.
As I mentioned I have only run one cycle before this, though I plan to keep this momentum going and cycle every 1.5 years...
My diet will be in check. I will be eating above my TDEE for the first 6 weeks. Then cutting for 6 weeks. (please advise if this is not suitable or realistic).
I'm running the Test E as I hear it holds a little more water compared to Test P. This is to help aid me from becoming too flat while on cycle.
I could not obtain HCG.. and as for tamoxifen/nolvadex, why would I need it? I am running arimidex all the way through so unless you're referring to progesterone levels I can't see why I would need it... None of these steroids cause progesterone levels to be sky high.
I have clomid as I mentioned which essentially is clomiphene....
Nolva is for your pct and clomid.
And you should set your goals for one cycle bulk or cut. What is ur adex dosing
As muscleink has said you should know all this stuff if youve cycled before.i dont really see the point in bulking then cutting in one cycle, do one thung at a time.arimadex will help stop water retention. If you dont think you need nolva and chlomid you really shouldnt be cycling.
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Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
You might be the first person I've heard that said they actually want to hold excess water.
Water retention can cause several health issues, including but not limited to high BP.
Arimidex is for during cycle only and should be stopped before PCT.
And I think you are running too many compounds, I including teen, for your second cycle.
MI referred to tamox and clomid. If you have to ask that question then you are not ready to cycle. It's your health, do it correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
ViewSonic,Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
Don't take this the wrong way, but when someone doesn't know the difference between a SERM and AI, when they are used and why, it is clear they know little about the drugs they are taking and are simply following a protocol they've read about or been told to use.
Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor which inhibits the conversion of androgens (like testosterone) to estrogen. Elevated estrogens create numerous health risks (I will forego enumeration of each but there are threads here that adequately cover said risks). SERMs (such as nolvadex, toremifen, raloxifene, etc) prevent binding of E2 to androgen receptor sites and do not diminish the turnover (aromatization) of testosterone to estrogen.
I made no reference to progesterone levels.
Clomid AND tamoxifen are standard for PCT. both are SERMs but clomid offers an additional spermatogenetic benefit.
Everything you need there from muscleink.
What about a dopamine agonist to regulate prolactin since you're considering tren? That wasn't discussed yet.
Thanks MuscleInk that post helped a lot. I'll throw nolva into the equation meaning ill have arimidex during, and nolva and clomid for pct.
And what's this about prolactin?... I ran tren in the first cycle and didnt have any issues with it.
I get excited when you talk like a doctor MI.
How do you know you had no problems? Did you get bloods done?Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
Had bloodwork done and test levels were about 180nmol/l with progesterone not too high
Also, I must add that I ran my first cycle (tren+test e) without arimidex.. I was foolish and I didn't know much about controlling estrogen while on cycle but i knew of PCT. I also figured there wouldn't be a high aromatization rate since tren doesn't aromatize. My point though is that i had levels of 800+ estrogen but no side effects? I had no puffy nips, no gyno, nothing.
If you knew of pct why is it you thought there was no need for chlomod and nolva?
Read back through my posts... I never said there was no need for clomid.. every guy in this post seemed to shove those words down my throat though.. What i said was no need for nolva, which i now realise was wrong based on MI's post and some further research.
Back to the question now.. Does anyone know the best way to run the cycle??
12 weeks? 10 weeks? 14?
Dosages/EOD, etc?
Dont run it.
Prolactin can be a risk for tren cycles. If estrogen levels are maintained within normal ranges, prolactin may not be a risk. Many will keep pramipexole or cabergoline available to manage prolactin if it becomes a risk/concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
So all is good since gyno is the only side effect of high estrogen? Listen to MI please.Quote:
Originally Posted by ViewSonic1
I wouldn't run tren just yet. It's a harsh compound with plenty of strong side effects. IMHO you would be best to run the testE for 12 weeks @ 500/wk. Focus your diet and cardio on reducing bf. Eat about 500 calories less than your TDEE and introduce 45-60 minutes of moderate intensity cardio per day.
The tren will keep. It's best to avoid tren until you've had at least three successful cycles under your belt. Get your body fat below 15% on cycle two and you will see amazing results from tren on your third (preferably fourth) cycle.
This will give you more time to research tren. There are several threads on tren use and some people prefer a higher tren/test ratio, other s prefer a higher test/tren ratio.
Bahahahaha....that's my sexy bedroom talk.Quote:
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