Test E+Deca+D-Bol - 2nd Cycle- Advice Required

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 12:02 PM

Hi all,

Stats:
Height 5' 9"
Weight 180 lbs
Training for last 5 years
1st Cycle: Test E 12 weeks - 500 mg every week

I was planning to start my cycle back in November, could not do so.

My plan for 2nd Cycle:

D-Bol- 30 mg for 1st week, 50 mg for wk 2-4 (will bump to 50mg if I don't feel anything after 1st week)
Test E 500 mg - Wk 1-14
Deca 400 mg - Wk 1-12 (to give test E- extra 2 weeks from Wk 12-14)
Arimidex 0.5 mg EOD Wk 1-14

PCT: Nolva & Clomid for 4 weeks

Que 1: HCG - Gave me acne on 1st cycle- not sure what doses or duration- Advice needed

Que 2: In my earlier thread, people advised for Liquid Prami also. I want to put minimum compounds in my body. Not sure if I really need Liquid Prami.

Que 3: Is Test-E dose at 500 mg per week is enough if I am running Deca 400 mg per week or should I bump it to 600 mg (Test E) per week. I have Test E vials of 400 mg per ml. Don't now how to get 250 or 300 mg in one shot.

Que 4: PCT- Read on the forums that Nolva is not a good option if you are running Deca. What can be the alternate. Can I run Arimidex with Clomid as PCT for 4 weeks?

**sawyer86** · 01-17-2014, 12:09 PM

You dont need all these compounds for a second cycle.it probly wasnt the hcg that gave you acne. What was your first cycle? Nolva is ok for pct if youve ran deca . Godknows where you got that from.Arimadex is used on cycle not for pct.

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 12:14 PM

I got acne as I started HCG on my first cycle. As I mentioned above, My first cycle was Test E at 500 mg per week for 12 weeks.

Any idea for HCG doses? What compound should I remove from my cycle?

I will keep Nolva for PCT then.

**sawyer86** · 01-17-2014, 12:16 PM

Hcg should be 250iu twice a week. What results did you get from your first cycle?

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 12:21 PM

I gained around 22 lbs from my first cycle. In PCT, I did not care much about diet & was low on motivation.

Lost my gains a bit in that period. But again, got the size back. I did my first cycle back in Feb 2011.

This time, I wanted to start only after I fix my diet. Now , everything is set & I am ready to roll.

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 12:25 PM

Any advice on removing any compound from my cycle?

**sawyer86** · 01-17-2014, 12:29 PM

I would just run a test only cycle again @ 500mg per week. Split into two equal dosages. But this time keep your diet in check all the way through including pct to help maintain gains. Like you said you lost your gains so it was not really a successful cycle. I would get this under your belt before moving on to other compounds.

**Back In Black** · 01-17-2014, 12:30 PM

If you gained that much from your first cycle I'd stick with test. Add d'bol if you like but I'd leave deca for now.

HCG on cycle as stated at 250ius x 2 per week. As stated it didn't cause your acne but I bet the introduction of it coincided with your test levels peaking and causing it.

People often say don't run nolva on cycle with deca. Or at least they used to. Running at pct is a must.

I guess you know you need 0.5mg a'dex EOD from your first cycle?

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 05:17 PM

I think I am not convinced for test only cycle. It gave me good gains, but I wanted to try other compounds with it to have gains & keep those gains. I am not planning to go for another cycle this year.

I ran Nolva Every day with my first from day 1. I did not try A-Dex in my first cycle.

Suggestions!!

**Cuz** · 01-17-2014, 05:54 PM

Run test again with an oral for four weeks or so. U don't need three compounds for a second timer. I'm still using only two compounds to bulk with...I wouldn't advise using deca this early.

I've never seen test e dosed at 400mgml sure its not a blend?
Also concerns me that you can't figure out how to do simple math if you have 400mg but only needed 200mg...you would only draw 1/2 a ml into the syringe...and you would go from there....good luck. Hopefully your diet and training are on par

**Marc81** · 01-17-2014, 08:16 PM

hmm..May be Test E with D-Bol might be a good idea.

200 would be 1/2 ml. I was concerned for 250 or 300 mg. I know it sounds silly; thought may be there is another way out. & yes its Test E only not a blend.

I took around 3 months just to fix my diet so that I gain good muscle mass when I am ON.

Training has never been a problem for me.

**fit2bOld** · 01-17-2014, 09:01 PM

I think it's Ben quite some time since your last cycle a 500 mg a wk test only will be sufficient.
Diet isn't something that gets fixed but should be part of your lifestyle.
Acne was from the test. Just showed up when you started the HCG

**Back In Black** · 01-18-2014, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Marc81

I think I am not convinced for test only cycle. It gave me good gains, but I wanted to try other compounds with it to have gains & keep those gains. I am not planning to go for another cycle this year.

I ran Nolva Every day with my first from day 1. I did not try A-Dex in my first cycle.

Suggestions!!

Your diet will dictate what gains you make and what gains you keep, not compounds.

As it appears you need a bit of spoon feeding here you go

Weeks 1-12 test E 250mg x 2 pw
Weeks 1-4 d'bol 40mg ed (although this dosage is dependant on the quality of your gear)
Weeks 1-14 arimidex 0.25mg EOD stop 3 days before PCT
Weeks 1-14 HCG 250iu's x 2 pw stop 3 days before PCT

Wait 14 days for pct
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Make sure your diet is sorted for before, during and after cycle. All 3 phases should be different for best results. As stated by fit2bold your diet should be your lifestyle not something you fix for a cycle.

And test e at 400mg/ml is probably gonna cause you some PIP.

**Marc81** · 01-18-2014, 04:05 AM

Thanks for the suggestions.

Diet is the most important part for me & I do understand that its a lifestyle not just for few days or months.

I just added few things to my diet which I never ate in my life. That's what I meant when I said 'Fixed'. I don't take any sort of junk food.

Anyways, I think point is - it has been around 3 years since I did my last cycle so my body can respond to Test E only again or Test E with D-bol cycle in a good way If my diet & training is correct.

Back in Black - Thanks for putting this cycle for me. Really appreciate that.

Any idea- how can I pull 250mg out from a 400 mg/ml vial? ( other than filling the syringe just above 1/2 ml)

**Back In Black** · 01-18-2014, 04:24 AM

It's pretty basic maths buddy. But unless you have an insulin syringe you won't get it exact. 250mg will be 0.625ml

**sawyer86** · 01-18-2014, 05:24 AM

Looks like you got him threre in the end bib!

**Marc81** · 01-18-2014, 08:50 AM

Lol, I know the math.

I think I need to get that syringe in which I can see the 0.625ml marking.

**Marc81** · 01-18-2014, 09:27 AM

Any advice to avoid acne?

**Cuz** · 01-18-2014, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Marc81

Any advice to avoid acne?

...don't cycle....

**Marc81** · 01-18-2014, 10:42 AM

Lol, I was asking seriously I guess

**kelkel** · 01-18-2014, 10:49 AM

Lets not forget some pre-cycle blood work.

**Marc81** · 01-21-2014, 04:39 PM

Guys

I was reading about HCG on the boards & found that people recommend 4-5 weeks for HCG towards the end of the cycle.

What do you say - should I take HCG for full duration of the cycle from Day 1 or last 4 weeks only?

**Back In Black** · 01-22-2014, 04:45 AM

Full duration is better than blasting at the end.

**Marc81** · 02-03-2014, 01:24 PM

Got my BW done before the Cycle-

Highlights are:

Free Test 77 (range 35-155 pg/ml)
Total Test 362 (range 250-1000 ng/dl)
HDL Cholestrol 35 (> or = 40 mg/dL)
LDL Cholestrol 109 (<130 mg/dL)
Total Cholestrol 183 (125-200 mg/dL)
Triglyceride 197 (<150 mg/dL)

Everything else is the range. Is my lest low? My age is 32 years.

Should I start the cycle or wait?