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    Hermogenes is offline Junior Member
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    8 weeks on 8 weeks off (advice please)

    42 yo
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    10+ years training

    I am looking into doing 2 back to back 8 weeks cycle, in other words:
    cycle #01 = 8 weeks
    PCT + no steroids for 8 weeks
    repeat

    reason being is that I want to gain faster and keep sides to a minimum

    I have done a 12 week test E/500mg in the past and the results where good

    I am off for about 2 years

    What I intent to do is:

    week 1-8 = 150 mg test prop EOD
    Week 1-8 = 50 mg Winny ED
    week 1-8 = HCG .250 iu E3D
    PCT
    Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Week 19 repeat

    Is the PCT enough?
    I am tempted to go 100mg of winny daily.

    Thanks

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    Your HPTA won't recover in 8 weeks. you might as well run a 12 week cycle, PCT, and rest for 3 to 6 months.

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    You should go 8 weeks off plus 4 weeks of PCT . I wait 2 weeks after my last pin before I start PCT . So at least 14 weeks off for my liking. As stated above your HPTA needs more that 8 weeks to get back in line.
    Last edited by Bedford; 01-28-2014 at 12:01 PM.

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    Hermogenes is offline Junior Member
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    So how long does it take for me to do my 2nd cycle?

    I always heard time on = time off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermogenes View Post
    So how long does it take for me to do my 2nd cycle?

    I always heard time on = time off
    Time on + PCT = Time off. AT A MINIMUM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermogenes View Post
    42 yo
    200
    15% bf

    10+ years training

    I am looking into doing 2 back to back 8 weeks cycle, in other words:
    cycle #01 = 8 weeks
    PCT + no steroids for 8 weeks
    repeat

    reason being is that I want to gain faster and keep sides to a minimum

    I have done a 12 week test E/500mg in the past and the results where good

    I am off for about 2 years

    What I intent to do is:

    week 1-8 = 150 mg test prop EOD
    Week 1-8 = 50 mg Winny ED
    week 1-8 = HCG .250 iu E3D
    PCT
    Nolva 40/40/20/20

    Week 19 repeat

    Is the PCT enough?
    I am tempted to go 100mg of winny daily.

    Thanks
    If you're trying to gain faster you could try a modified version of Ronnie Rowland's slingshot training
    You'll want to read this!

    Basically 8 weeks on/2 weeks off(or cruise, or mini pct) 8 more weeks on/ then full PCT/off completely.

    You won't recover fully during that 2 weeks obviously but you'll avoid prolonged atrophy, you'll keep making gains, and your final PCT may end up being roughly the same as if you'd only run a single 8 week cycle.
    Everyone is different though, and your mileage may vary.

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    Hermogenes is offline Junior Member
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    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bedford View Post
    You should go 8 weeks off plus 4 weeks of PCT . I wait 2 weeks after my last pin before I start PCT . So at least 14 weeks off for my liking. As stated above your HPTA needs more that 8 weeks to get back in line.
    He wants to use Prop, not E or CYP.

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