M-stane for first cycle?

**john283** · 01-29-2014, 10:31 PM

Hey everyone, these are my stats.

23 years old
195lb
13%body fat
5"10 height
Been lifting for 4 1/2 years

I never went on a cycle or test or anything before but my friend just gave me m-stane and it's 60 caps and I looked it up and turns out it's sort of harsh for a first cycle. I don't know whether to try this prohormone or do something more mild. I was thinking the following:

10mg/20/20/20 m-stane with milk-thistle through the 4 weeks

Taking clomid at 150mg/150mg/100mg/100mg/50mg starting as soon as my 4 weeks on m-stane are up.

I'm not experienced in this and this is about as much as I know, can anyone offer some tips and advice? Thanks

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 10:37 PM

Yes! great compound!
without test, you might be pretty lethargic, but you're gonna get crazy gains. I like to run it up at 30-40mg.

By far one of the best steroids ever made, but you need to be very careful with your liver and kidneys with this compound. Also it will literally bring your HDL down to 0, and there's nothing you can do to stop it (dietwise or other). Drink plenty of water and consider running TUDCA or something pharmaceutical instead of milk thistle. PCT looks fine if you can handle 150mg clomid.

**fit2bOld** · 01-29-2014, 10:38 PM

Please throw that crap away or give it back. There is a reason it was given to you. Trade for some chicken breast it works better for size and strength!

**fit2bOld** · 01-29-2014, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by WheelieFreakz

Yes! great compound!
without test, you might be pretty lethargic, but you're gonna get crazy gains. I like to run it up at 30-40mg.

By far one of the best steroids ever made, but you need to be very careful with your liver and kidneys with this compound. Also it will literally bring
your HDL down to 0, and there's nothing you can do to stop it (dietwise or other). Drink plenty of water and consider running TUDCA or something pharmaceutical instead of milk thistle. PCT looks fine if you can handle
150mg clomid.

Yo dude your really treading on thin ice hear. This
forum does not recommend or condone pro hormones
they are liver toxic and the kid is 23.
Get "F" ing real.

**king6 II** · 01-29-2014, 10:43 PM

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Run a cycle of this. Far better than any pro hormone.

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 10:44 PM

this is a steroid . not a prohormone. It seems like i'm the only one who is even qualified to give advice here haha. sorry

edit: it's an mdrol clone fyi

**john283** · 01-29-2014, 10:45 PM

strongsupplementshop.com/m-stane-6mg-by-dynamic-formulas-60-ct/

I've checked reviews on multiple sites and it's getting good reviews so I'm not sure

**fit2bOld** · 01-29-2014, 10:46 PM

No bro it's an oral piece of crap

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 10:47 PM

how can you guys hate superdrol....

**king6 II** · 01-29-2014, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by john283

strongsupplementshop.com/m-stane-6mg-by-dynamic-formulas-60-ct/

I've checked reviews on multiple sites and it's getting good reviews so I'm not sure

You will find there are a lot of sites out there that promote stuff that should not be promoted such as pro hormone cycles and oral only cycles. I have run 2 cycles of pro hormones before. I can speak from experience. DO NOT DO IT. I ran Max LMG and Halodrol 50, was planing on running superdrol but threw it away after the other 2 cycles. If your stats are correct, you have a decent frame to start with. Do your self the biggest favor, wait 2 years then run a test only cycle. Better than any pro hormone out there.

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by king6 II

You will find there are a lot of sites out there that promote stuff that should not be promoted such as pro hormone cycles and oral only cycles. I have run 2 cycles of pro hormones before. I can speak from experience. DO NOT DO IT. I ran Max LMG and Halodrol 50, was planing on running superdrol but threw it away after the other 2 cycles. If your stats are correct, you have a decent frame to start with. Do your self the biggest favor, wait 2 years then run a test only cycle. Better than any pro hormone out there.

IT'S NOT A GODDAM PROHORMONE. IT'S AN ACTIVE STEROID .

and one of the strongest per mg

**john283** · 01-29-2014, 10:53 PM

So you'd recommend test enanthanate on it's own over the m-stane?

**king6 II** · 01-29-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by john283

So you'd recommend test enanthanate on it's own over the m-stane?

Yes....Hands down. When your ready grasshopper.

**tdoe11** · 01-29-2014, 11:16 PM

M-Stane and M-drol are designer steroids AKA "prohormones". And..... Yes you will have gains from them. And.....yes they are garbage and they are horrible for your health. M-Stane/Superdrol/mdrol is the most toxic of them all.

Years ago I ran mdrol. I gained 12 pounds of water weight I immediately lost when I quit. My back pumps were so bad u could hardly work out (with 1.5 gallons of water and taurine daily). I felt horrible the entire time I was on it. Prohormones are garbage and they are terrible for you.

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by tdoe11

M-Stane and M-drol are designer steroids AKA "prohormones". And..... Yes you will have gains from them. And.....yes they are garbage and they are horrible for your health. M-Stane/Superdrol/mdrol is the most toxic of them all.

Years ago I ran mdrol. I gained 12 pounds of water weight I immediately lost when I quit. My back pumps were so bad u could hardly work out (with 1.5 gallons of water and taurine daily). I felt horrible the entire time I was on it. Prohormones are garbage and they are terrible for you.

get your facts straight bro

**king6 II** · 01-29-2014, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by tdoe11

M-Stane and M-drol are designer steroids AKA "prohormones". And..... Yes you will have gains from them. And.....yes they are garbage and they are horrible for your health. M-Stane/Superdrol/mdrol is the most toxic of them all.

Years ago I ran mdrol. I gained 12 pounds of water weight I immediately lost when I quit. My back pumps were so bad u could hardly work out (with 1.5 gallons of water and taurine daily). I felt horrible the entire time I was on it. Prohormones are garbage and they are terrible for you.

I believe you are correct on this, M-Stane is a Superdrol mimic, which is considered to be methasterone, which was marketed as a designer steroid . I do not fashion myself as an expert on prohormones however, I have run two cycles of them with much regret. I think the difference with Superdrol and M-Stane is the carbon structure difference of methyl and dimethyl, or something to that extent.

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-29-2014, 11:33 PM

a prohormone is not an active steroid until it passes through your liver.

a designer steroid is active before it enters the body.

All designer steroids are marketed as prohormones in an effort to keep them on the market. Of course they're not gonna market a steroid as a steroid because they want to sell it legally. Most of the compounds you guys call "prohormones" are actually active steroids.

**john283** · 01-29-2014, 11:59 PM

So you think it's all right to take it? What sides did you experience? How much do you think I could put on?

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-30-2014, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by WheelieFreakz

Yes! great compound!
without test, you might be pretty lethargic, but you're gonna get crazy gains. I like to run it up at 30-40mg.

By far one of the best steroids ever made, but you need to be very careful with your liver and kidneys with this compound. Also it will literally bring your HDL down to 0, and there's nothing you can do to stop it (dietwise or other). Drink plenty of water and consider running TUDCA or something pharmaceutical instead of milk thistle. PCT looks fine if you can handle 150mg clomid.

i've already told you the sides and how to run it. I think it is a great compound.

It is one of the best for gaining lean mass and strength, but your gains will depend mostly on diet/routine. I'd give you 15-20 pounds of lean mass. could be alot more. could be alot less

**john283** · 01-30-2014, 12:11 AM

All right, thanks, I'll do more research before taking it and get my PCT fully prepared first

**kapper** · 01-30-2014, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by john283

All right, thanks, I'll do more research before taking it and get my PCT fully prepared first

Mate dont listen to the one person who gave you the answer your looking for, trust the other 99% of people who are giving you proper advice, even if pro hormones were any good (which they arent) your to young mate!!! Ive learnt more on this site about all of training! Stick around you wont regret it.....

**WheelieFreakz** · 01-30-2014, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by kapper

Mate dont listen to the one person who gave you the answer your looking for, trust the other 99% of people who are giving you proper advice, even if pro hormones were any good (which they arent) your to young mate!!! Ive learnt more on this site about all of training! Stick around you wont regret it.....

seems like the 99% don't even know what m-sten is. I believe i might be the only person who has actually run it in this thread

**kapper** · 01-30-2014, 12:28 AM

Im trying to understand why all the vets and exprienced members would never recommend these pro hormones, yet you 'have tried it' and say its all good, even if it was any good how can you recommend a oral only cycle! Hence why you told him he would feel lethargic.. Cause he would be shutting his test down and not replacing it.. Who would do that??