Help CLEN !!

[Legolas]

Hello,

after searching this forum for clenbuterol related threads and reading some of them inculding " perfectbeast2001 " thread= http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...k-me-ages.html. I still did not find an answer to my question about clen. So i need your help.
The thing is when im on clen, i get plenty of its bad side effects even at minimal doses like 20-40 mcg but not once i checked my body temperature and it was higher than before i took the pill. After i take the clenbuterol pill, i have anxiety, im shaking, chest discomfort, heart beating faster and of course i feel hot especially my face, but the problem is, my body temperature stays to the same !! ( i check my body temperature with a thermometer before and after taking the pill ) and the same thing used to happen to me when i used to take salbutamol, which is related to clenbuterol.

So my question is, does it mean that clenbuterol is working even if my body temperature stays the same ? is it necessary for my body temperature to rise in order to make sure that the fatloss induced by clen is actually happening?
Do i continue it ?? because if its not working properly im gonna throw to bottle away because its the most annoying drug ive ever taken !!

PS: the clenbuterol im taking is branded " Meditech " supposedly german made
Im also on a t3/t4 cycle
Cycle started 3 days ago.

I really need your help thanks .

[tarmyg]

Clenbuterol and T3/T4 at the same time? What are you doing to protect the undeniable muscle loss you are about to experience?

Thanks
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[Legolas]

I don't really care about my muscle mass at this moment, ill have so much time bulking up once im done with my weight/fat loss.

[jackjackson]

So whats the point if your wasting muscle?
A fast track to lose weight regardless of the type of weight?
You and your immune system and overall metabolism will do better with more lean tissue not less


This is why you add in one thing at a time to judge your bodys response.

First time using this and your using t3 and t4 and clen?

How much of each are you using and how often are you taking it, more importantly what is your diet like?

Sorry not trying to bash you but this looks really foolish in an effort to get ripped in 6 weeks type of thing.
I would back off and add one thing in at a time and gauge your bodys responsiveness

[Legolas]

So whats the point if your wasting muscle?
A fast track to lose weight regardless of the type of weight?
You and your immune system and overall metabolism will do better with more lean tissue not less


This is why you add in one thing at a time to judge your bodys response.

First time using this and your using t3 and t4 and clen?

How much of each are you using and how often are you taking it, more importantly what is your diet like?

Sorry not trying to bash you but this looks really foolish in an effort to get ripped in 6 weeks type of thing.
I would back off and add one thing in at a time and gauge your bodys responsiveness

You are completely right, ive decided to stop clen for now, its just so annoying and im not gonna risk losing lots of muscle mass even if the clen was working.

[ScotchGuard02]

You just described all the symptoms of Clen except cold sweat. It's working for you.

[DrewZ]

I'm no expert, but from what I've read you're going to waste your muscle away with your T3 use.

I'd like to think I know a little about cutting fat without dangerous compounds however.
Getting rid of the fat is NOT hard if you plan out/prep your meals and do a little bit of exercise!
Count your macros for a couple days, eat the same thing for a while.

Consistency is KING.

Best regards,
Drew

[Legolas]

You just described all the symptoms of Clen except cold sweat. It's working for you.

so it works even though there is no rise in body temperature ??

[Legolas]

I'm no expert, but from what I've read you're going to waste your muscle away with your T3 use.

I'd like to think I know a little about cutting fat without dangerous compounds however.
Getting rid of the fat is NOT hard if you plan out/prep your meals and do a little bit of exercise!
Count your macros for a couple days, eat the same thing for a while.

Consistency is KING.

Best regards,
Drew

Thanks a lot for ur help drew, the thing is i have been over this fat and weight loss many times, last time i lost more than 30kg in 2 years but i gained them all back because i had tendinitis in my knee and stopped working out add to that all the stress in life and the limited time between work and university etc.... which makes u indulge in junk foods and sweet foods.

So the bottom line is that i have to do it all over again but this time with limited cardio and weight training because i also was very unfortunate to develop bicipital tendinitis a year ago, back then i wanted to get rid of the weight and joined the gym and ended up with an inflamed biceps tendon which im not fully healed till this very day.

Thats why i thought of jumping my fat/weight loss journey with a t3/t4 and clen cycle for 2 months, which will enable me to do more cardio in the future since my knees will be carrying less weight.

Regards....

[Reiid13]

I'm no
Getting rid of the fat is NOT hard if you plan out/prep your meals and do a little bit of exercise!
Count your macros for a couple days, eat the same thing for a while.

This is so true ^^^

Thats why i thought of jumping my fat/weight loss journey with a t3/t4 and clen cycle for 2 months, which will enable me to do more cardio in the future since my knees will be carrying less weight.

Regards....

Like you mate im cutting aswell , the best thing you can do is pre-plan your meals

I lost 7 lbs in two weeks with no gym , just diet and clen( had work and other family shiz going on ) . Diet is key ever heard of the expression ' abs are made in the kitchen '

Thats right diet , pre-plan meals and youll see a change fast , clembuterol is such a small thing compared to nutrition, diet id the real key to success .

[Legolas]

This is so true ^^^



Like you mate im cutting aswell , the best thing you can do is pre-plan your meals

I lost 7 lbs in two weeks with no gym , just diet and clen( had work and other family shiz going on ) . Diet is key ever heard of the expression ' abs are made in the kitchen '

Thats right diet , pre-plan meals and youll see a change fast , clembuterol is such a small thing compared to nutrition, diet id the real key to success .

Well reiid thank you for ur help, but im not in a cutting phase like you if i understood you right , im at a point where i have to lose around 35-40 kilos and im just getting started

[Reiid13]

Well reiid thank you for ur help, but im not in a cutting phase like you if i understood you right , im at a point where i have to lose around 35-40 kilos and im just getting started

Sorry man I use the word 'cutting' just to say loosing fat . Im not a body builder or anything , im just getting to a low bf% so I can start to bulk . Personally I believe this will be mentaly easier for me , if I start bulking at like 20% BF. I know a month down the line ill shit myself because ill think im just getting fatter .

Im not sure on my current bf% or weight because I weigh weekly . But coming this tuesday (4th feb I think) will be my weigh day (3rd week) , every day I look in the mirror and feel slimmer and I can see the top of my abs in the morning.

The key for me is pre planning meals , and keep the protein up so I dont loose muscle

[DrewZ]

Thanks a lot for ur help drew, the thing is i have been over this fat and weight loss many times, last time i lost more than 30kg in 2 years but i gained them all back because i had tendinitis in my knee and stopped working out add to that all the stress in life and the limited time between work and university etc.... which makes u indulge in junk foods and sweet foods.

So the bottom line is that i have to do it all over again but this time with limited cardio and weight training because i also was very unfortunate to develop bicipital tendinitis a year ago, back then i wanted to get rid of the weight and joined the gym and ended up with an inflamed biceps tendon which im not fully healed till this very day.

Thats why i thought of jumping my fat/weight loss journey with a t3/t4 and clen cycle for 2 months, which will enable me to do more cardio in the future since my knees will be carrying less weight.

Regards....

I understand where you're coming from Legolas, I've felt the same way.
Have had my share of injuries too, and dealt with the emotional eating.

What I've learned is until we stop making excuses for ourselves & poor behavior (emotional eating, etc.)
We're just going to put it back on again regardless of how you take it off.

It sounds like you've made the decision to lose the weight again, my hats off to you for that.
It all starts with that decision.

The hardest battle for me these days is putting on muscle, it's so valuable especially if you like to eat and you are trying to lose fat.
The more muscle we have the higher our TDEE is which is awesome, I'm sure you know this.

So I am going to echo what some have said about muscle loss, T3 esp. without the use of Test to save your muscle, to my understanding is muscle wasting.

In my book that's going to do more harm than good in the long run.

Easy come easy go, its a marathon not a sprint.

I wish you the best, stay healthy friend.

Drew

[Legolas]

I understand where you're coming from Legolas, I've felt the same way.
Have had my share of injuries too, and dealt with the emotional eating.

What I've learned is until we stop making excuses for ourselves & poor behavior (emotional eating, etc.)
We're just going to put it back on again regardless of how you take it off.

It sounds like you've made the decision to lose the weight again, my hats off to you for that.
It all starts with that decision.

The hardest battle for me these days is putting on muscle, it's so valuable especially if you like to eat and you are trying to lose fat.
The more muscle we have the higher our TDEE is which is awesome, I'm sure you know this.

So I am going to echo what some have said about muscle loss, T3 esp. without the use of Test to save your muscle, to my understanding is muscle wasting.

In my book that's going to do more harm than good in the long run.

Easy come easy go, its a marathon not a sprint.

I wish you the best, stay healthy friend.

Drew

Thanks a lot drew

[Legolas]

Would proviron at 50mg per day during this t3/t4 clen cycle prevent muscle loss ?

[tarmyg]

Would proviron at 50mg per day during this t3/t4 clen cycle prevent muscle loss ?

NO!

Get your diet in order! Seriously!!!

~T

[Legolas]

NO!

Get your diet in order! Seriously!!!

~T

I did, i really did im having 1600-1700 cals per day, around 150-160 grams of protein each day my carbs are also balanced, around 80-100g per day. And i started my training again but as i have said before, ive lose all what i have done 2 and a half years ago ( gained the fat back and lost the muscle mass i had built ) and now i have to start training again with my biceps tendon prone to inflammation at any given moment so that's why i resorted to t3/t4 just to get me through this difficult period of two months.

[Reiid13]

why i resorted to t3/t4 just to get me through this difficult period of two months.

You should be running AAS while on t3 . T3 is not fussed were it gets its energy from , so it can consume your muscle .

Its harder to build muscle , than to loose fat

[Legolas]

You should be running AAS while on t3 . T3 is not fussed were it gets its energy from , so it can consume your muscle .

Its harder to build muscle , than to loose fat

I have never used AAS except for one 250 testoviron injection and im really careful when approaching AAS, i don't know why but i don't like to use AAS like most of the guys on this forum, that's why i only asked about proviron because it seems this substance is relatively mild with a lot less side effects.

So could anyone please answer my question about using proviron at 50mg per day with the t3/t4 cycle ? Please

Thanks

[Reiid13]

I have never used AAS except for one 250 testoviron injection and im really careful when approaching AAS, i don't know why but i don't like to use AAS like most of the guys on this forum, that's why i only asked about proviron because it seems this substance is relatively mild with a lot less side effects.

So could anyone please answer my question about using proviron at 50mg per day with the t3/t4 cycle ? Please

Thanks

I believe any form of AAS will save muscle , when taking t3

I know clen isnt strong enough to save muscle

But wait for a pro to chime in

[vito93x]

ur core temp doesn't have to be that elevated for the clen to still be doing what it does.

[Legolas]

ur core temp doesn't have to be that elevated for the clen to still be doing what it does.

Thanks for your help vito, do you have anything to say about the proviron ??

[SouthernS]

Recomp is such a difficult thing to really achieve. It is more like gaining less fat while gaining LBM or losing the least amount of LBM while cutting. Ostarine can combat the LBM wasting that comes with clen to some degree, but it won't help with T3 (far too catabolic). Personally I prefer albuterol to clen due to the sides alone, both being nearly as effective. If you are looking for something to recomp with and not lose muscle AICAR is worth some reading up on.

[Legolas]

Recomp is such a difficult thing to really achieve. It is more like gaining less fat while gaining LBM or losing the least amount of LBM while cutting. Ostarine can combat the LBM wasting that comes with clen to some degree, but it won't help with T3 (far too catabolic). Personally I prefer albuterol to clen due to the sides alone, both being nearly as effective. If you are looking for something to recomp with and not lose muscle AICAR is worth some reading up on.

Thanks for your help