deca question

**bartman314** · 02-04-2014, 07:03 PM

i'm 50, 230, 12% bf on TRT and have severe joint issues (arthritis in l shoulder, l knee, r hip and tendonitis in l knee and l and r elbow). i'm considering a test blast over the summer and am considering adding deca as i understand it can really help with the joints (as well as being a good anabolic ).

after some research, i'm considering a Test blast of 500 mg/w and deca in the 200-400 mg/w for 12 weeks with no PCT (as i would go right back to TRT) with proper AI and hcg support throughout.

thoughts?

**king6 II** · 02-04-2014, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by bartman314

i'm 50, 230, 12% bf on TRT and have severe joint issues (arthritis in l shoulder, l knee, r hip and tendonitis in l knee and l and r elbow). i'm considering a test blast over the summer and am considering adding deca as i understand it can really help with the joints (as well as being a good anabolic ).

after some research, i'm considering a Test blast of 500 mg/w and deca in the 200-400 mg/w for 12 weeks with no PCT (as i would go right back to TRT) with proper AI and hcg support throughout.

thoughts?

Deca will make the joints feel nice and loose from what I understand however, it seems as though you have some issues that might be aggravated from strength increase. I know nandrolone is actually used to treat joint problems and other issues such as osteoporosis. My question is are you using deca strictly to treat joint problems or do you wish to gain size as well? My concern is the rapid strength gain and the effects when you cycle off.

**bartman314** · 02-04-2014, 07:37 PM

thanks for the input. i wasn't aware nandrolone is another option - i'll check it out. i had zero'ed in on deca primarily for joint problems, with the anabolic benefits being icing on the cake. i have recently started a TB500 cycle (2.5 mg/week for 8+ weeks) to see if that could help with joint problems.

taking a step back... you are right. i am trying to find the right balance between heavy weight training and not doing too much damage to the joints. i've just come back from a motorcycle crash in sept and have added 30 lbs of muscle since 10/1 (which i'm quite happy about, but which has resulted in the tendonitis). the tendonitis is manageable at this point - i've had a great deal of experience with properly and improperly managing tendonitis over the years.

This blast would be my first cycle (to supernatural TEST levels and anabolics) and i am looking for new tools to manage the balance of heavy weight training and not doing too much more damage to the joints. i realize i will need to monitor joint quality on cycle and possibly adjust, and am looking for the best blend going into the cycle to set my joints up for success. at this point, i'm thinking a cutting cycle, for example.

**bartman314** · 02-04-2014, 07:41 PM

a quick google indicates the following for nandrolone :

Nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) is an anabolic steroid . Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca -Durabolin ) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin). Nandrolone decanoate is used in the treatment of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women (though now not recommended) at a dose of 50 mg every three weeks. It is also used for some aplastic anemias.

so, nandrolone and deca are the same?!?

**derekkpapa1** · 02-04-2014, 07:46 PM

I ran deca in one cycle and my joints-body never felt better and can't wait till I run it again. but it your joint starting feeling better you will start lifting heavier and could cause more damage read this more details
Deca for pain relief

**king6 II** · 02-04-2014, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by bartman314

a quick google indicates the following for nandrolone :

Nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) is an anabolic steroid . Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca -Durabolin ) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin). Nandrolone decanoate is used in the treatment of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women (though now not recommended) at a dose of 50 mg every three weeks. It is also used for some aplastic anemias.

so, nandrolone and deca are the same?!?

When I stated nadrolone, yes I was referring to nadrolone deconate or deca durabolin . However, there is also nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) which is deca with a faster ester. My advice is to research as much as you can about anything you are considering taking.

**kelkel** · 02-04-2014, 08:08 PM

Many guys here simply run low dose deca as part of their TRT protocol.

**MuscleInk** · 02-04-2014, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Many guys here simply run low dose deca as part of their TRT protocol.

^^^Correct. I add NPP to my TRT a few times a year or as needed to resolve ligament pain.

**kelkel** · 02-04-2014, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

^^^Correct. I add NPP to my TRT a few times a year or as needed to resolve ligament pain.

I've found it's good to be correct occasionally.

**growfast** · 02-04-2014, 09:43 PM

my missus banned me from deca cycles, so I need to cope with bad joints

**roadglide83** · 02-04-2014, 09:59 PM

I have had 3 hip surgeries and deal with chronic hip pain and Deca makes my hip feel amazing. Keep in mind it is most likely not healing the issue so don't overdue it and be smart about your limitations.

**kelkel** · 02-04-2014, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by roadglide83

I have had 3 hip surgeries and deal with chronic hip pain and Deca makes my hip feel amazing. Keep in mind it is most likely not healing the issue so don't overdue it and be smart about your limitations.

Good advice!

**bringndaheat** · 02-04-2014, 10:12 PM

You will do just fine wth 200mg's of Deca . It's truly a amazing product. I'm going to start running it in my TRT at 125mgs a week.

-Heath

**bartman314** · 02-05-2014, 01:34 PM

thanks for all the inputs.

sounds like adding up to 200 mg/week as part of trt is maybe the best way to go. in this mode, i'm thinking of deca durabolin (slower ester) im 1/week... right?!?

the advice about not overdoing it sounds good too, but am not sure what to do with it besides 'listen to my body.'

roadglide, i have had 1 hip surgery and am nursing chronic pain - i had a labral tear, impingement, and arthritis. at this point i don't do lunges for example. what do you mean by not overdoing it in your case? do you go heavy with squats, but shallow or not so heavy?

growfast, i too have a missus issue and am wondering why you are banned from deca cycles. if it's not tmi... what's the issue?

ongoing thanks for the wisdom.

**roadglide83** · 02-05-2014, 01:40 PM

I also had hip impingement surgery on my hip and also had tendon tears on the anterior side of the hip and for me I had to cut out all deep squats due to not having cartilage in spots. I am only 31 so I am still trying to preserve my hip which means training smart like now I do box squats to a parallel or slightly below box. I am still doing heavy compound movements but they are scaled back from my powerlifting days. If you have anymore questions feel free to hit me up. Good luck.

**bringndaheat** · 02-05-2014, 02:16 PM

It can cause Deca dick. You knw hard to get hard. I've never had tht problem but some do. Get some liquid Cia just in case.

Heat

**kelkel** · 02-05-2014, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by bringndaheat

It can cause Deca dick. You knw hard to get hard. I've never had tht problem but some do. Get some liquid Cia just in case.

Heat

That's really a myth. Control your estrogen and hence your prolactin and you'll have no such trouble.

**roadglide83** · 02-05-2014, 02:26 PM

I have ran upwards of 600mg of deca and had zero issues with my equipment. If anything I was working double time. But I know it can effect other differently.