My first steroid cycle

**teab** · 02-06-2014, 01:56 AM

I'm planning to purchase the following:

- Testosterone enanthate 250mg/mL 10mL vial x4
- Trenbolone enanthate 200mg/mL 10mL vial x 2

My cycle is going to be 12 weeks, so that means I'll use roughly 333mg of tren per week (2000/12). My testosterone dose will be about 100-150, since I'm only using it to make up for the suppression that tren will cause. Any more than that and I'll probably need an AI, which I'd rather avoid.

I'm not planning to PCT since I don't want to lose my gains and feel like shit, so I'll be cruising on 250 mg of test until my next cycle.

Is there anything else I should add to my cycle? Would HGH or GHRP peptides make a big difference? If I'm going to add HCG , should I want until my cruise period, since tren is so suppressive?

Thanks for your help.

**kronik420** · 02-06-2014, 02:50 AM

ummmm............................................. .................................................. ................ stats?

**teab** · 02-06-2014, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

ummmm............................................. .................................................. ................ stats?

6'2'', 165 pounds, 21 years old. Been lifting for almost a year.

AD · 02-06-2014, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by teab

6'2'', 165 pounds, 21 years old. Been lifting for almost a year.

Pics?

**dusto** · 02-06-2014, 03:36 AM

The guys on here will undoubtably tell you drop the tren for your first for sure and also to stop thinking about a cycle all together. You're too young and can definitely make a lot more gains natural and they will be right!!!

Your system and body is bit ready for a cycle and is still growing naturally and the use of aas could seriously and permanently hurt you for life
And IMHO I think you need too get a few years of lifting heavy to ready your ligaments and joints of the strain aas can have on them.

This site is truly a great tool for fine tuning your diet, training, and eventually when your ready maybe even a cycle
Check out all the great info on here first before continuing I've been on here a while now and still find new and great info

**Monbrow89** · 02-06-2014, 04:13 AM

Please be a troll

**Back In Black** · 02-06-2014, 04:54 AM

6'1 and 165lbs????

Nutrition forum only for you buddy, if you are real.

**DrewZ** · 02-06-2014, 12:14 PM

teab, you must read these two threads first.

The young and Steroids
Explanation of HPTA / Endocrine System & How Steroids Affect You

At your age your natural levels are through the roof, you can put on a ton of muscle without AAS.
After you read the two links above, head over to the nutrition section.

**redz** · 02-06-2014, 12:33 PM

You need diet help first. Second you should not cycle! You don't know what you are doing or have enough understanding of the drugs you are talking about.

**skaz915** · 02-06-2014, 02:22 PM

First... 6'2 165 and 21 gtfo. .your not ready for aas.

Second...This is your first cycle, had you done any research like is highly highly advised, you'd know to only run ONE compound your first time.

I'm sure there is more too add to this

**itsjayman02** · 02-06-2014, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by skaz915

First... 6'2 165 and 21 gtfo. .your not ready for aas.

Second...This is your first cycle, had you done any research like is highly highly advised, you'd know to only run ONE compound your first time.

I'm sure there is more too add to this

Not worth adding anymore

Seems strange loads of threads are popping up like this

op only has a few posts!!

Always under 25

Underweight for their height

Want to run more than 1 compound

Very strange I think!!!!!!!

**diesel101** · 02-06-2014, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by itsjayman02

Not worth adding anymore

Seems strange loads of threads are popping up like this

op only has a few posts!!

Always under 25

Underweight for their height

Want to run more than 1 compound

Very strange I think!!!!!!!

I agree seems like a lot of these threads the last month or two.

**ghettoboyd** · 02-06-2014, 03:45 PM

it has to be a banned member or something cus he is saying everything right to push our buttons and get a response...total troll this isn't for real...I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid and irresponsible with aas...

**xjay1234** · 02-08-2014, 07:18 PM

Can't go wrong with that Testosterone !!!!!

What are your goals?

**teab** · 02-08-2014, 07:54 PM

What's wrong with tren on a first cycle? It's far more powerful than testosterone and cannot be converted to estrogen. Why not take a relatively low dose of tren (300mg a week) and a TRT dosage of testosterone.? That avoids most of the side effects from high T and will probably produce more gains. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

**Cuz** · 02-08-2014, 09:25 PM

Sounds like u just want to argue to me

**Reiid13** · 02-08-2014, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by teab

What's wrong with tren on a first cycle?

Clearly havent done any research

**Reiid13** · 02-08-2014, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

it has to be a banned member or something cus he is saying everything right to push our buttons and get a response...total troll this isn't for real...I refuse to believe anyone is that stupid and irresponsible with aas...

Yeah in the last 48 hours theres been like 5 idiotic threads , admin should try trace IP to ban the person

**teab** · 02-08-2014, 10:27 PM

Should I get tren enanthate or tren acetate? I was leaning toward enanthate because of the longer half life, but some people have said that you should use the acetate ester for your first time with tren, in case the side effects are too severe. Do you guys agree with this?

**MuscleInk** · 02-08-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by teab

Should I get tren enanthate or tren acetate? I was leaning toward enanthate because of the longer half life, but some people have said that you should use the acetate ester for your first time with tren, in case the side effects are too severe. Do you guys agree with this?

You've been told not to do it. You're 22 years old and more than likely will fvck up your HTPA and then be back here sniveling in a month from now because your dick doesn't work, you have anxiety and/or depression, your sleep is all fvcked up, your BP is high, your cholesterol ranges have gone to shit, and you have no libido. Guys that have cycled longer than you've been sucking air have advised against doing this for your first cycle but ohhhhh nooooo you know better than the guys with twice your experience.

So do whatever you want. You're going to anyway. Stop wasting our time. We are trying to help people who want to do this correctly and safely. You're on your own if you want to screw yourself up.

**MuscleInk** · 02-08-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Reiid13

Yeah in the last 48 hours theres been like 5 idiotic threads , admin should try trace IP to ban the person

^^^Agreed. Banned members with separation anxiety and attachment issues. Lol

**teab** · 02-08-2014, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

You've been told not to do it. You're 22 years old and more than likely will fvck up your HTPA and then be back here sniveling in a month from now because your dick doesn't work, you have anxiety and/or depression, your sleep is all fvcked up, your BP is high, your cholesterol ranges have gone to shit, and you have no libido. Guys that have cycled longer than you've been sucking air have advised against doing this for your first cycle but ohhhhh nooooo you know better than the guys with twice your experience.

So do whatever you want. You're going to anyway. Stop wasting our time. We are trying to help people who want to do this correctly and safely. You're on your own if you want to screw yourself up.

I'm going to blast and cruise, so I'm not worried about my HPTA.

**MuscleInk** · 02-08-2014, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by teab

I'm going to blast and cruise, so I'm not worried about my HPTA.

At 22 you're a foolish boy. Let us know in 20 years how that decision worked out. You have NO idea what your in for.

**GSXRvi6** · 02-08-2014, 11:10 PM

At least drop the tren . Test = "enjoy the ride" type cycle, add tren in, it's a different kind of ride, seriously, drop the tren at a minimum and see how you do on test alone for your first try.

I added tren early (but sure as hell not my FIRST RUN JESUS DUDE) and it's not hype, the stuff is different, do yourself a favor and listen to what they guys here have to say.

Otherwise, why the hell do you even bother asking questions.

edit: just saw 21 and lifting for 1 year, forget AAS load up on BCAA's, creatine etc. Not being worried about your HPTA shows your mental maturity level.

**uvafan4life2** · 02-08-2014, 11:24 PM

you do not need to use steroids . you need food and training and more food and training

**EasyDoesIt** · 02-08-2014, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

^^^Agreed. Banned members with separation anxiety and attachment issues. Lol

Probably not far off on the banned member assumption.
But i just had a conversation with a guy around OP'S age already talking about TRT. He had no clue what he was doing and everytime he spoke about dosages and AI dosages i would tell him his dosage was off. He would then back peddle and remember that he was doing it the way i was telling him. All the while his other 20 some year old friend was asking if i thought certain gear would cause PE? That guy recently was dumped by his gIrlfriend LOL.

The funniest thing about it are the results i am seeing with all the gear there taking. I really want to say all that and you're still a pudge.
At 22 they look 34. Certain stubborn people are just better off learning the hard way.

**reporich** · 02-08-2014, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by teab

I'm going to blast and cruise, so I'm not worried about my HPTA.

Tard on!

**MuscleInk** · 02-09-2014, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Probably not far off on the banned member assumption.
But i just had a conversation with a guy around OP'S age already talking about TRT. He had no clue what he was doing and everytime he spoke about dosages and AI dosages i would tell him his dosage was off. He would then back peddle and remember that he was doing it the way i was telling him. All the while his other 20 some year old friend was asking if i thought certain gear would cause PE? That guy recently was dumped by his gIrlfriend LOL.

The funniest thing about it are the results i am seeing with all the gear there taking. I really want to say all that and you're still a pudge.
At 22 they look 34. Certain stubborn people are just better off learning the hard way.

Completely agree with you. I understand the desire to look big and chiseled but they simply don't understand the risks, realize body transformations take time, AND, you grow mass or lose bf in the kitchen not the end of a needle.

It's unfortunate they come here with a "know-it-all" attitude. They are destined to hurt themselves or at the very least, be living off a needle or gel (TRT) the rest of their lives - not realizing how big of a deal it will be to inject or lather test just to feel close to normal.

Instead of listening and learning from guys who have 2-3x the experience in age, they argue or blow them off.

Fortunately not every young guy is this way, but the majority are.

**DexterMorgan** · 02-09-2014, 12:30 AM

I'm 23 now. I did my first cycle when I was 22. If I knew what I know now....

Young people, stay away from gear.

**Honkey_Kong** · 02-09-2014, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Completely agree with you. I understand the desire to look big and chiseled but they simply don't understand the risks, realize body transformations take time, AND, you grow mass or lose bf in the kitchen not the end of a needle.

It's unfortunate they come here with a "know-it-all" attitude. They are destined to hurt themselves or at the very least, be living off a needle or gel (TRT) the rest of their lives - not realizing how big of a deal it will be to inject or lather test just to feel close to normal.

Instead of listening and learning from guys who have 2-3x the experience in age, they argue or blow them off.

Fortunately not every young guy is this way, but the majority are.

You know the funny thing is if these kids would instead of doing these retarded cycles, just learn to diet and train right, they'd end up with better results than they would with their shit diets and limited training experience.

But at 20, they know more than anyone else.

**Reiid13** · 02-09-2014, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

^^^Agreed. Banned members with separation anxiety and attachment issues. Lol

Lol it is rather strange somone posts junk on purpose to get told off. Maybe he's trying to act out a scene from 50 shades of grey .

**EasyDoesIt** · 02-09-2014, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

You know the funny thing is if these kids would instead of doing these retarded cycles, just learn to diet and train right, they'd end up with better results than they would with their shit diets and limited training experience.

But at 20, they know more than anyone else.

The deep problem is "LACK OF DISCIPLINE". These guys come on here talking about training a year or two as if they dedicated their life to training. I think Low T saw the writing on the wall. There will always be a growing number of guys with ED either due to cycling at a young age and or abuse of gear. Overall way of life in this stressful society. It's shocking how many young guys today have ED either due to psychological issues or low T. I don't know of any of my friends even in my 30's with problems like so many today have. I now live in a very cosmetic city and using gear here is almost a given for people in their 20's. With the net boing such a powerful tool for the ease of gaining knowledge it's not taken advantage of in the right way.

Originally Posted by Reiid13

Lol it is rather strange somone posts junk on purpose to get told off. Maybe he's trying to act out a scene from 50 shades of grey .

The need for attention.