New to the game need guidance

[mob_inc]

Hello my name is AJ. I spent years working out regularly. Had no supplements or protein drinks.... I was doing a long stretch behind concrete walls. I gained pretty good but I was eating like a horse. That was 10 years ago.

Recently I looked into testosterone therapy. Made the appointment. Had my labs done and the doc said they were through the floor. 3.5 to be exact. I have been prescribed 2ml (400mg) of testosterone Cyopitate every week. Had my first shot today. How long before I feel and see the results of this? I read 24-48 hours after injections.
I'm pretty anxious to see where this takes me both in the weight pile and elsewhere.

[Bio-Active]

400 mg ew is very high for a trt dose. Thats really a cycle dose

[derekkpapa1]

Welcome if I were you I would post in Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging
good luck with everything

[Honkey_Kong]

Hello my name is AJ. I spent years working out regularly. Had no supplements or protein drinks.... I was doing a long stretch behind concrete walls. I gained pretty good but I was eating like a horse. That was 10 years ago.

Recently I looked into testosterone therapy. Made the appointment. Had my labs done and the doc said they were through the floor. 3.5 to be exact. I have been prescribed 2ml (400mg) of testosterone Cyopitate every week. Had my first shot today. How long before I feel and see the results of this? I read 24-48 hours after injections.
I'm pretty anxious to see where this takes me both in the weight pile and elsewhere.

I hope you find a different doctor. You really don't want to be taking that much testosterone for a TRT treatment. And it'll be about a month or so before you level out.

[fit2bOld]

Not good you will be having estrogen sides in no time. There is a lot more to hormone replacement then a shot of test a week. Are you getting HCG and an AI?

[mob_inc]

I hope you find a different doctor. You really don't want to be taking that much testosterone for a TRT treatment. And it'll be about a month or so before you level out.

What I've been researching most people using the Cyopitate cycle with 600-1000 a week usually broke into two injections. I was more worried about it not being enough to concern with lifting again. Saying that 500 a week is a good start.

On other note this doc is pretty reputable. He was referred and works in conjunction with my Kidney Doc. And yes I trust him. I was hours from death from total renal failure when I met my doc. His first words to me were " if you have family you may want to have them come to hospital you have a very slim chance of making it through the night" well I did and am fully recovered but that doc is now who I trust and see when I need a doc. He agrees with my HRT doc. I'm sure they will be on top of any negative factors.

[mob_inc]

But on side note I have been reading a lot about cycles and estrogen blockers etc which I admit I have no clue. Is this something I should be able to ask my doc for without throwing red flags. I have also read a lot that says test is the shit and stacking isn't necessary but personal choice.

[reporich]

Are you wanting to go on TRT or run a cycle?

[mob_inc]

Are you wanting to go on TRT or run a cycle?

Well I went in for extremely low test levels but seems everyone's opinion says my dose is a cycle dose...... That being said I want both. I don't expect to figure it out first day but all this is bringing up questions for me to ask my doc

[MODO]

Well I went in for extremely low test levels but seems everyone's opinion says my dose is a cycle dose...... That being said I want both. I don't expect to figure it out first day but all this is bringing up questions for me to ask my doc

Since your test was so low, your doc might be front loading you. Believe it or not, front loading is not just a bodybuilder trick. I would be shocked and disappointed if he left you on 400mg very long.

[mob_inc]

Since your test was so low, your doc might be front loading you. Believe it or not, front loading is not just a bodybuilder trick. I would be shocked and disappointed if he left you on 400mg very long.

Exactly what I was thinking. My understanding my test was extremely low. He has it prescribed for one cycle. He said then we will go through labs but not only labs but how I was feeling to adjust a dose. I went in yesterday for first shot and to be shown how to do it myself. And the assistant there explained my dose is pretty common maybe a .5ml larger than normal starting dose. This is a very reputable doctor working along side my Endo Specialist that yes I trust with my life..... He's already saved it once I'm sure he doesn't want to do it again.

[Honkey_Kong]

Exactly what I was thinking. My understanding my test was extremely low. He has it prescribed for one cycle. He said then we will go through labs but not only labs but how I was feeling to adjust a dose. I went in yesterday for first shot and to be shown how to do it myself. And the assistant there explained my dose is pretty common maybe a .5ml larger than normal starting dose. This is a very reputable doctor working along side my Endo Specialist that yes I trust with my life..... He's already saved it once I'm sure he doesn't want to do it again.

I wouldn't trust a doctor that is prescribing you 400mg a week. And prescribed for one cycle? If you're taking testosterone for the treatment of low-t, you don't cycle it. When you take testosterone, your body stops making it's own and so you have to keep taking shots indefinitely.

[mob_inc]

I wouldn't trust a doctor that is prescribing you 400mg a week. And prescribed for one cycle? If you're taking testosterone for the treatment of low-t, you don't cycle it. When you take testosterone, your body stops making it's own and so you have to keep taking shots indefinitely.

I trust my doctors over forum readers..... Now that said the have the labs they have prescribed me 2ml per week. Which a average dose for TRT is 1.5ml per week. Not that much larger than an average TRT dose......... I will leave the dosing to my doctors. They have my labs and they know my body.... They are not new doctors to me.

My doctor did not call this a cycle. He said we are starting you with this. We will do labs in 2 months to see where we are and adjust accordingly. Seeing how forums doesn't give context of my speech and I have to remain strictly literal and not make examples.

I came here asking for info of what I can expect in the days to come from my body. What foods to eat and what routines will get me the most out of my 2ml a week injections. Not the capability of my doctor or anyone's opinion on dosing of my testosterone. I have recieved several responses NOT A SINGLE THING INDICATING WHAT I ASK. Only about my doctor or my dose level...... 2ML injections and I trust my doctors to do what needs to be done. With that said if you can help me along the way feel free to comment on my post..... If not and the only thing you wish to do is offer your unprofessional medical opinion just move on.... Don't be conceited to think you need to express your opinion to ever members post

[MODO]

your unprofessional medical opinion

Don't paint everyone with this brush.

We will do labs in 2 months to see where we are and adjust accordingly.

2 months is a hell of a long time for him to leave you on the high dose. If he really does this, then you might be able to squeeze out some gains. Check the nutrition and training forums and get to work.

In the long term what can you expect? You can expect to feel like a normal person with normal testosterone. I suspect your doctor will scale you back after your 2 month blood work when he sees your values are off the charts.

Also, expect to wait a few weeks before seeing any real changes in how you feel.

[MuscleInk]

Well I went in for extremely low test levels but seems everyone's opinion says my dose is a cycle dose...... That being said I want both. I don't expect to figure it out first day but all this is bringing up questions for me to ask my doc

AJ, welcome to the forum. It's good to see you have confidence in your doctor's therapeutic plan. A few caveats however. First, please don't assume everyone here is an ignorant juice head or some punk kid who doesn't know what he's talking about. Many members here have professional careers and have a variety of experience (I've been a medical practitioner for 18 years). Second, I would wager that some of our knowledgable members have been training and involved with anabolics for possibly as long as your doctor has been in practice. The information they offer is experiential and not based on what they learned from a text book in a classroom. I mean you or your doctor no disrespect but in my 18 years of medicine I have met many MDs who neither understand anabolics or know the proper treatment protocols for TRT. Many assume having an MD suffices to provide TRT to patients. I would vehemently disagree. Moreover, the fact that your doctor is starting you on such a high dose without an aromatase inhibitor concerns me. With patient safety in mind, one should start at a lower dose along the TRT continuum and adjust upwards as lab values indicate. You don't start with a supraphysiological level and back it off! If a patient came in to my office complaining of pain, I wouldn't give them the highest dose of pain meds possible. I'd start at a lower dose and adjust up as clinically indicated.

Lastly, while some of the questions may seem off topic, many of the questions posed are keeping in mind with the theme that successful interventional neuroendocrinology (using steroids) is a multi factorial process and several variables can influence desired outcomes.

So instead of flying off the handle, be patient with the questions, work with the members instead of against them, and see if your doctor can do something about the chip on your shoulder.

[MODO]

Many assume having an MD suffices to provide TRT to patients. I would vehemently disagree.

^^^ oh my goodness yes! ^^^

[lovbyts]

AJ, welcome to the forum. It's good to see you have confidence in your doctor's therapeutic plan. A few caveats however. First, please don't assume everyone here is an ignorant juice head or some punk kid who doesn't know what he's talking about. Many members here have professional careers and have a variety of experience (I've been a medical practitioner for 18 years). Second, I would wager that some of our knowledgable members have been training and involved with anabolics for possibly as long as your doctor has been in practice. The information they offer is experiential and not based on what they learned from a text book in a classroom. I mean you or your doctor no disrespect but in my 18 years of medicine I have met many MDs who neither understand anabolics or know the proper treatment protocols for TRT. Many assume having an MD suffices to provide TRT to patients. I would vehemently disagree. Moreover, the fact that your doctor is starting you on such a high dose without an aromatase inhibitor concerns me. With patient safety in mind, one should start at a lower dose along the TRT continuum and adjust upwards as lab values indicate. You don't start with a supraphysiological level and back it off! If a patient came in to my office complaining of pain, I wouldn't give them the highest dose of pain meds possible. I'd start at a lower dose and adjust up as clinically indicated.

Lastly, while some of the questions may seem off topic, many of the questions posed are keeping in mind with the theme that successful interventional neuroendocrinology (using steroids) is a multi factorial process and several variables can influence desired outcomes.

So instead of flying off the handle, be patient with the questions, work with the members instead of against them, and see if your doctor can do something about the chip on your shoulder.

As usual, on the spot.

AJ, we have a whole section dedicated to TRT including a board certified physician whos specialty is TRT. Most doctors, Endocrinologist and so called TRT specialist are not even close to current on treatment. A lot of them dont seem to understand what a roller coaster ride it is on your system/hormones to give you to much and spread it out for to long.

A lot of doctors think you only need injections 1x ever 2 weeks. Terrible idea. 1x a week is OK and 2x a week is better at keeping your levels nice and even.

I have never heard of anyone who needed 400mg a week. There are VERY few who need more than 150mg a week although there are a lot of people who think they need 200mg but blood work will prove most all of them wrong, most. Anything over 200mg a week is really a cycle and testosterone therapy is one of those things where more is not better.

You dont have to believe me or the others who have told you the same but if you visit the HRT section you will see 100s of post from TRT patients who will say the same thing. Most have a hard time finding a good doctor.

We really want to help you get pointed in the right direction because most of us have been down the path before and the roller coaster ride is no fun.

[xjay1234]

That is a very high dosage like others said that is like a cycle dosage