2nd cycle being treated as first cycle .

[Rodder1016]

Second cyc being treated as first.

Well guys/girls, I'm ready for my sec cyc but treating it as my first! First time around I followed the typically "bro-science" of just take this and this and that and you'll get huge! Well, I was very uneducated and misled in the aas world and had no business playing on such a slippery slope prior to being more educated. I Didn't know what a pct or AI even was! been off 1yr solid and doing lots of homework in between then and now. I'm in hopes to have things right this time! I'm also not 20 so I should've known better!!....

Quick, I'm 32. been lifting for yrs. Did lots of powerlifting at a young age for comp and transitioned towards body building the older I got. Now I have maintained a toned cut, lean shape which I'd like to bulk up a bit! I have been working on becoming a cpt and studying nutritional science.
currently 155lbs clean. 5'5". Target weight is 170. BF 8%
I have worked w fellow trainers-nutritionists. I also have a thyroid issue. I Have discussed my tdee and current intake etc. diet is in check and has been but, I need to take in additional calories bulking phase vs running so lean once on.

Current cyc plan: 12wks
Week 1 to 12: Test e 250mg every 3.5 days (500mg/wk total) OR
250mg eod (750mg/wk total)

Armidex .25mg eod (From day 2 up until PCT starts)
OR
Armidex 1mg eod
OR
Aromasin 12.5mg eod

23ga x 1" 3ml syr

Start pct 14 days after last test pin. continue taking AI during those 2wks.

PCT:
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Also thinking of adding deca 200. 3x's wk 600mg/week)
If yes, change pct time accordingly (18days)
Thoughts ...?

[derekkpapa1]

No hcg

[derekkpapa1]

your ai does not make sense .25 or 1 eod what does that mean
I would drop clomid down to 75/50/50/25
And I would run with out deca this time
250 twice a week is good not eod??

[Rodder1016]

Ok so Wednesday and Sunday should work . X2 wk
No deca

And on the AI I have read armidex some say aromasin. I've also read differences on how much to take so my question is how much of either and eod works right?

[derekkpapa1]

okay I do thurs and Sunday. Read this because you are avoiding it : http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html
Also I run arimidex at .5 eod seems like sweet spot for me but bw is only way to tell- everyone is different also read this: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...le-swifto.html if you have not really good info

[derekkpapa1]

Also this about ai if you have not : http://forums.steroid.com/educationa...armachine.html

[Capebuffalo]

155 lbs? Steroids is not the answer right now. Eating and training until you have built a base. Sorry I know it's not what you want to hear.

[derekkpapa1]

is that u in the pic or post pic of you I know 155 is light but he is only 5'5 8% bf

[Capebuffalo]

I thought it was 5-8. 150 is average weight for 5-5. So we will see

Try reading this and see if it helps.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[Cuz]

Whose in ur avatar that u,?

[Rodder1016]

Yes I'm 5'5". 155-160. Fluctuate water etc. typically 150lbs is what I hold. I have changed my intake and it's so hard to keep the 160.
Yes that IS me in my picture

[derekkpapa1]

I would look thru my advice above and repost your cycle plan- agian why no hcg??

[Capebuffalo]

Nice avi then.

Add hcg
Adex .25 eod
Test 500 mg a week is plenty
No deca
The rest looks goo

[Rodder1016]

Sorry for not responding on the hcg. Plan def includes adding this. Been reading more in threads about any potential thyroid issues I might have seeing as I have an existing thyroid issue and am on medication for it. Seeing mixed threads about thyroid levels and hcg.

[Cuz]

Yes I'm 5'5". 155-160. Fluctuate water etc. typically 150lbs is what I hold. I have changed my intake and it's so hard to keep the 160.
Yes that IS me in my picture

You look good man. The biggest 150 I've ever seen. I'd opt for 250 test eod myself no deca this time. Honeslty I think 15lbs of lbm isn't going to happen. What bf are you know? You said you want to be at 8%? That's pretty shredded everything you would gain would almost have to be lbm. Go for it man. You look good for just one cycle

[Rodder1016]

I tend to look or am thought to be heavier based on my size but am lean and I thank you very much for the compliment. Bf% is currently 8%. I'd like to stay at this bf. I have been down to 6% before. I wouldn't mind someone lending me some of their weight! Ha.. 250eod was my thought but I think I'd prefer 2pins a wk so 500wkly. I think either way I'm going to be happy w 2pins and based on my genetics, routine, and diet included. I have everything in place but am having a problem w one particular pc of gear. Hcg seems to be a problem! I have read tons on this. Like everything there are still tons of threads arguing use on cycle or post use. And going back to the bro science of things, fellow bro saying don't worry about hcg or tuck which is that uneducated response. I agree w the thread on hcg and use ON CYCLE and I understand why this is important. If I cannot get this one pc of gear but having everything else in place, am I still at a complete loss without this pc of the puzzle? I also still have one main question, I have a thyroid issue. I take medicine daily for thyroid. Will hcg affect thyroid at all?