Adding more..

**Zodiac82** · 02-13-2014, 06:31 PM

Whats up folks!! Im about start up another cycle(4th). All previous cycles have been all test. The first two were at 500/week..the other two up to 600 and didnt see to much difference so this one im gonna try 750/week. Im thinking about adding in something like var or deca although id probably have to use deca for a little longer than id like(read it should be used longer than 3 months).

I just wanted to get some opinions on what "the next step" when adding in compounds.

Im looking for quality gains that'll stay after cycle and not a bunch of water weight that give the illusion I've gotten bigger than I really did.

Thanks guys.

**king6 II** · 02-13-2014, 06:38 PM

I am biased when it comes to var. I only ran it once, but it was close to pharm grade. What I liked most about the var is that the gains, although minimal, are lean and dry. I put on about 9 lbs from the var but it was lean permanent muscle. Can not speak for deca since I have never used it, but I hear good things. If I had to pick, I would go with var based on experience.

**kelkel** · 02-13-2014, 06:43 PM

3 x 250 is great.
Water weight is controllable. And you're right, who wants to be bloated. Love seeing guys all bloated feeling big then when off all flat and pathetic. What happened?
You'd like var for 6 weeks to start.
Jimmyinkedup is running low dose Dbol at 15mg per day (5 x 3) if I recall correctly. Thought is to get the nitrogen retention benefit without the sides of higher doses. Including little to no liver enzyme issues. Interesting theory that I may try myself on my next run. Haven't run Dbol in 20+ years...
Keeping gains is all nutrition and training brother!

**Zodiac82** · 02-13-2014, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by king6 II

I am biased when it comes to var. I only ran it once, but it was close to pharm grade. What I liked most about the var is that the gains, although minimal, are lean and dry. I put on about 9 lbs from the var but it was lean permanent muscle. Can not speak for deca since I have never used it, but I hear good things. If I had to pick, I would go with var based on experience.

appreciate the opinion...thats what im looking for nice lean sustainable gains

Originally Posted by kelkel

3 x 250 is great.
Water weight is controllable. And you're right, who wants to be bloated. Love seeing guys all bloated feeling big then when off all flat and pathetic. What happened?
You'd like var for 6 weeks to start.
Jimmyinkedup is running low dose Dbol at 15mg per day (5 x 3) if I recall correctly. Thought is to get the nitrogen retention benefit without the sides of higher doses. Including little to no liver enzyme issues. Interesting theory that I may try myself on my next run. Haven't run Dbol in 20+ years...
Keeping gains is all nutrition and training brother!

lol ur right about the bloat look Kel..just to clarify what u said first,are u saying 250mg 3x a week vs 375mg twice a week? Yes im following Jimmy's log(even though I havent posted in it) thats what hes doing. I didnt wanna just throw a lot of compounds in(even though its tempting) lol. What are ur thoughts on deca ? thanks for.the input

**kelkel** · 02-13-2014, 07:55 PM

Yes, 250 x 3.
Deca 's a great compound and it's negative sides are over hyped.

I'll edit to say as long as you can capably manage your sides. But that caveat goes for any AAS. What's the old adage, "One man's meats another man's poison."
Deca's actually part of my TRT regimen.

**Lunk1** · 02-13-2014, 08:31 PM

What is the goal of your next cycle?

AD · 02-13-2014, 08:39 PM

i found this when i was searching for similar information: Nandrolone - BigCat

long story short, the writer didn't quite fancy deca .

but Kel seems to like it, so i guess the results can be different for each individual.

**derekkpapa1** · 02-13-2014, 09:52 PM

I ran deca and loved it, for me it was over all how my body felt. My joints, back and rest of body feel awesome. I can't wait till run it again. Not too sure on bloating because I ran anadrol first 5 weeks so I was puffed up from that .

**DAAS** · 02-13-2014, 10:54 PM

What dose do you run deca at?

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yes, 250 x 3.
Deca's a great compound and it's negative sides are over hyped.

I'll edit to say as long as you can capably manage your sides. But that caveat goes for any AAS. What's the old adage, "One man's meats another man's poison."
Deca's actually part of my TRT regimen.

**Schwarzenegger** · 02-14-2014, 12:43 AM

I run DECA in almost every cycle now. Good quality gains and my joints are loving me.

To give u an idea of dosages, i'm currently doing

750mg/wk test e
600mg/wk deca

Hcg 500iu/wk
A-dex 0.25mg eod

Last cycle I did

600mg/wk test e
500mg/wk deca

Plus hcg and adex same dosages

Hope that gives u an idea of dosing

**Schwarzenegger** · 02-14-2014, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yes, 250 x 3.
Deca 's a great compound and it's negative sides are over hyped.

I'll edit to say as long as you can capably manage your sides. But that caveat goes for any AAS. What's the old adage, "One man's meats another man's poison."
Deca's actually part of my TRT regimen.

Kelkel, I'm curious,

Why 250mg 3x/wk as opposed to 375mg 2x/wk?

Thanks in advance

**marcus300** · 02-14-2014, 01:08 AM

Deca would be a good next step and the water can be controlled easily. I really like var and respond great to it but if your after building as much tissue as possible I'd go with deca.

**kelkel** · 02-14-2014, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Schwarzenegger

Kelkel, I'm curious,

Why 250mg 3x/wk as opposed to 375mg 2x/wk?

Thanks in advance

Simply less to inject at one time, especially if using other compounds.
E2 control advantage.
Either way works, just my preference is above.

**Zodiac82** · 02-14-2014, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by cancer82

Im looking for quality gains that'll stay after cycle and not a bunch of water weight that give the illusion I've gotten bigger than I really did.

Originally Posted by Lunk1

What is the goal of your next cycle?

I wanna more or less recomp..
.if I could add 10-15 lbs of muscle and loss 5-10 pounds of fat id be happy with that

**Zodiac82** · 02-14-2014, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by AD

i found this when i was searching for similar information: Nandrolone - BigCat

long story short, the writer didn't quite fancy deca .

but Kel seems to like it, so i guess the results can be different for each individual.

thanks AD ill give that a read in a min

Originally Posted by Derekjpapa

I ran deca and loved it, for me it was over all how my body felt. My joints, back and rest of body feel awesome. I can't wait till run it again. Not too sure on bloating because I ran anadrol first 5 weeks so I was puffed up from that .

yeh I kno deca his good for.the joints which is one reason id wanna run it...So for u what about gains? Or was it hard to pinpoint which compound u got ur gains from?

**Zodiac82** · 02-14-2014, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Yes, 250 x 3.
Deca 's a great compound and it's negative sides are over hyped.

I'll edit to say as long as you can capably manage your sides. But that caveat goes for any AAS. What's the old adage, "One man's meats another man's poison."
Deca's actually part of my TRT regimen.

agreed...im not too worried about the deca dick...my levels stay in check with just test alone so id figure it should be pretty easily managed with deca(I say this and watch ill have problems out the ying yang lol)

Originally Posted by Schwarzenegger

I run DECA in almost every cycle now. Good quality gains and my joints are loving me.

To give u an idea of dosages, i'm currently doing

750mg/wk test e
600mg/wk deca

Hcg 500iu/wk
A-dex 0.25mg eod

Last cycle I did

600mg/wk test e
500mg/wk deca

Plus hcg and adex same dosages

Hope that gives u an idea of dosing

yes that does. curious, did or do u notice any difference in ur dose change and how long did u run ur deca before it "kicked in" for both joints and aesthetics

**Zodiac82** · 02-14-2014, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Deca would be a good next step and the water can be controlled easily. I really like var and respond great to it but if your after building as much tissue as possible I'd go with deca.

thanks marcus...yes I've read ur running lose dose deca and loving it(im in ur thread everyday just havent replied)
(hey I see a trend with me...I think I should change my title to "The Lurker" lol)

**derekkpapa1** · 02-14-2014, 10:09 AM

cancer I am sorry could not say how well deca worked because I ran with anadrol . I know I how felt with it- like I said was great. I ran 600 mg of test and 400 mg of deca split twice a week-ran deca 12 weeks test 14 weeks .I will run it next cycle with just test - my last on before I run tren

I did not see any "deca" sides with that dosage I ran. Good luck man

**Schwarzenegger** · 02-14-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by cancer82

yes that does. curious, did or do u notice any difference in ur dose change and how long did u run ur deca before it "kicked in" for both joints and aesthetics

I'm in the 4th week of current cycle now so it will kick in soon and I'll know if there is a difference due to dosage in a few weeks.

With joints I noticed it around 2 weeks. For aesthetics around week 6 in previous cycle for me but that's prolly a combo of test as well so not specifically DECA itself.

**Schwarzenegger** · 02-14-2014, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Simply less to inject at one time, especially if using other compounds.
E2 control advantage.
Either way works, just my preference is above.

Thanks kelkel, I think I might just try out the 3x 250mg

**Zodiac82** · 02-14-2014, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Derekjpapa

cancer I am sorry could not say how well deca worked because I ran with anadrol . I know I how felt with it- like I said was great. I ran 600 mg of test and 400 mg of deca split twice a week-ran deca 12 weeks test 14 weeks .I will run it next cycle with just test - my last on before I run tren

I did not see any "deca" sides with that dosage I ran. Good luck man

np..good to kno at least u didnt have sides at that dose

Originally Posted by Schwarzenegger

I'm in the 4th week of current cycle now so it will kick in soon and I'll know if there is a difference due to dosage in a few weeks.

With joints I noticed it around 2 weeks. For aesthetics around week 6 in previous cycle for me but that's prolly a combo of test as well so not specifically DECA itself.