tren & deca together ??

**flyguy6661** · 02-19-2014, 02:51 PM

not for me however i was wondering what you guys thought about this stack for a 4/5th cycle ?? test as a base with say 400mg deca and 300mg test a week over a higher amount of one

**Buster Brown** · 02-19-2014, 03:33 PM

Even at a 4th or 5th cycle, I would pick one or the other . Less is always more in my eyes.

**kelkel** · 02-19-2014, 03:38 PM

This hypothetical person can run both, sure. There's just really no reason to. My question would be are they that advanced to need it? Odds are, not even close.

**flyguy6661** · 02-19-2014, 03:39 PM

yea its a freind and a genuine freind too lol im running 750mg test with 400-600mg deca and hes concidering running 500mg test with 400mg deca & 300mg tren , were training partners with the same source. all pharma grade apart from the tren. the reason for this is the mg overall will be the same as my cycle however it will just be less mg and 1 more compound which he believes will be better

**MuscleInk** · 02-19-2014, 03:48 PM

Agree with Buster and Kel. I'm not a huge fan of deca . I run NPP periodically to help with myalgia and arthralgia but I keep the doses low. I'd run tren -test long before deca.

**kelkel** · 02-19-2014, 03:49 PM

Oh I understand the desire, just most aren't at the level where they need such a mix and would do great with the volume you are running. Guys should grow into their dose. Hopefully your buddy has all the ancillaries and knowledge required to control that mix.

**MuscleInk** · 02-19-2014, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Oh I understand the desire, just most aren't at the level where they need such a mix and would do great with the volume you are running. Guys should grow into their dose. Hopefully your buddy has all the ancillaries and knowledge required to control that mix.

Too many people think more is better. The older I get, the more my body reminds me less is more (except sex and food and then more is better)

**flyguy6661** · 02-19-2014, 03:56 PM

hes not really saying more is better hes saying less mg and a extra compound
if you had to choose between the 2 in all honesty for lean muscle gains whcih would it be
750mg test with 600mg deca OR 500mg test with 400mg deca & 300mg tren which would it be ? its actually less mg in the cycle with tren.

**kelkel** · 02-19-2014, 04:03 PM

I'd choose the one with less possible side effects. Which is what he should do. Now, if he is competitive and has something coming up my answer would be the opposite. Lean gains will depend on nutrition far more than anabolics.

**flyguy6661** · 02-19-2014, 04:05 PM

the one with less sides i guess would be higher test/deca ? may sound silly but im also guessing tren at 300mg a week would be fairly safe too ?

**kelkel** · 02-19-2014, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by flyguy6661

the one with less sides i guess would be higher test/deca ? may sound silly but im also guessing tren at 300mg a week would be fairly safe too ?

Remember tren is much more powerful than test or deca and can come with harsher sides. Caveat is that sides can be unique to the individual. Live and learn right? My only point is, is it necessary for your friends level of development to run all that? More compounds aren't always the answer and common sense should prevail. Most guys run far more than they should, imho. Good luck to him.

**MuscleInk** · 02-19-2014, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Remember tren is much more powerful than test or deca and can come with harsher sides. Caveat is that sides can be unique to the individual. Live and learn right? My only point is, is it necessary for your friends level of development to run all that? More compounds aren't always the answer and common sense should prevail. Most guys run far more than they should, imho. Good luck to him.

^^^Yes. I think what Kel and I meant was not more doses are unnecessary (which can be true) but more compounds may be unnecessary. I have run sacks, blends, and simple cycles and often you will find impressive results with simple cycles without the undesirable side effects or stress on your body that may not be obvious. I've started to move away from complex cycles and I pretty much stick to test, mast, and tren (and I've never run all three together). Occasionally I run test and anavar but I prefer test and mast over test and anavar, however, mast has to be handled appropriately to minimize prostate issues. Tren is great but as Kel suggested, the health consequences/sides effects are much greater.