High estrogen using Stane, advice needed

[GSXRvi6]

Cycle layout:

Pharm Test C Week 1 - 12 100mg
GPCyp250 Week 1 - 12 400mg (total test 500mg/wk)
HCG Week 1 - 12 500IU split 2x per week
Stane Week 1 - 14 12.5mg ED (taper off at the end)
Caber Week 3 - 13 .5mg 2x per week
GPTren Ace Week 3 - 12 25mg ED
Tamox 10mg ED based on bloods
No PCT (TRT)


I suspected my estrogen was getting high, I'm a bit bloated and my face if puffy, gains have been good, finally got my bloods and I'm pissed.

First off GP Test Cyp 250 is way under dosed, I will post those results in another thread, I'm very disappointed.

Here is my estrogen:
Estradiol, Sensitive
Estradiol, Sensitive 336 HIGH range 3-70 pg/mL BN

As high as this is, I'm thinking the stane I have is complete garbage, I used liquidex and crashed my estrogen on it, stane however, appears to be just bad tasting liquid. At first thought I was like I should go to 25mg ED but I believe that would be a waste of time at this point.

I'm thinking I have two options here:

1. abort cycle completely (I have 4 weeks left) and run tamoxafine for a few weeks until things settle back down to normal (I will get bloods again)
2. Start my liquidex now at .25mg EOD WITH tamoxafine at 10mg ED retest again in two weeks, drop tamoxafine if my estrogen is back in range continue to run dex 18 days past last pin and trash can this stane.
3. I have letro on hand, but haven't thought of it as an option yet.

I'm showing T3 uptake out of range as well, so with this high of estrogen it's probably a good damn thing I am on caber.

So what gives, is Aromasin not stable in liquid form?

[MuscleInk]

Could have been under dosed. UGLs offer no guarantee of potency or purity so it's risky business! Some guys run stane at 25mg for this very reason.

[GSXRvi6]

Could have been under dosed. UGLs offer no guarantee of potency or purity so it's risky business! Some guys run stane at 25mg for this very reason.

What do you think about option 2?

[MuscleInk]

What do you think about option 2?

Yes, if the adex worked in the past, run that. Letro will bring that number down but I really hesitate to recommend it. My estrogen shot up to 325 once. I hit it with 5mg of Femara (2.5 x 2) and dropped it into upper normal ranges and then I resumed adex at 0.5mg for the remained of one cycle.

[Roger11]

Yes, if the adex worked in the past, run that. Letro will bring that number down but I really hesitate to recommend it. My estrogen shot up to 325 once. I hit it with 5mg of Femara (2.5 x 2) and dropped it into upper normal ranges and then I resumed adex at 0.5mg for the remained of one cycle.

Sorry don't mean to hijack, im in a similar situation trying to control my e2. Muscleink do u mind chiming in on my thread please.

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...-everyone.html

[GSXRvi6]

yea I got the letro to have on hand for emergencies, but I was really saving that for really bad estrogen sides and so far I'm not doing bad. I'll probably dose .25 tonight and tomorrow then go to .25 EOD after that, running tamoxifen with it, hate to do that but at this point I'd rather have it than not.

[MuscleInk]

yea I got the letro to have on hand for emergencies, but I was really saving that for really bad estrogen sides and so far I'm not doing bad. I'll probably dose .25 tonight and tomorrow then go to .25 EOD after that, running tamoxifen with it, hate to do that but at this point I'd rather have it than not.

Stick with that plan. You could even up adex to 0.5mg EOD for one week and then drop back to 0.25mg. Those doses should not crash your levels.

[GSXRvi6]

Stick with that plan. You could even up adex to 0.5mg EOD for one week and then drop back to 0.25mg. Those doses should not crash your levels.

Thanks, I'll post up bloods when I do them again, normally only like to run bloods once during cycle but this is going to call for a follow up visit.

[MuscleInk]

Thanks, I'll post up bloods when I do them again, normally only like to run bloods once during cycle but this is going to call for a follow up visit.

Good call. You'll get great feedback from the gang here.

Good luck.

[GSXRvi6]

So there is a new twist to this story...

Buddy of mine is running the same gear from the same source, the only difference is he is not running tren and caber. He saw my blood work so doubled his stane to a double dosage (25mg) per day and crashed his estrogen.

So either stane just doesn't work on me (anyone ever heard of that?)
or
I got a bad batch of stane
or
stane goes bad on a shelf and mine may be older? (no clue)
or
My Tren has estrogen in it.....

It's GP tren so I have been doubtful that it would be the source, GP may not be pharm grade but it's not "billy bobs gear and tackle"

What are the likely hood of the other scenarios? I'm afraid to drop the tren because if I do, then get my blood work and it's good, I won't know if it was the switch to dex from stane that did the trick or if it was dropping the tren.

[Black]

So there is a new twist to this story...

Buddy of mine is running the same gear from the same source, the only difference is he is not running tren and caber. He saw my blood work so doubled his stane to a double dosage (25mg) per day and crashed his estrogen.

So either stane just doesn't work on me (anyone ever heard of that?)
or
I got a bad batch of stane
or
stane goes bad on a shelf and mine may be older? (no clue)
or
My Tren has estrogen in it.....

It's GP tren so I have been doubtful that it would be the source, GP may not be pharm grade but it's not "billy bobs gear and tackle"

What are the likely hood of the other scenarios? I'm afraid to drop the tren because if I do, then get my blood work and it's good, I won't know if it was the switch to dex from stane that did the trick or if it was dropping the tren.

Did your buddy have bloodwork to show he crashed his estrogen? Or is he just going on feeling?

[GSXRvi6]

Did your buddy have bloodwork to show he crashed his estrogen? Or is he just going on feeling?

No blood work yet, but 2 hours after the second dose of stane he hit me up saying he was having a bad experience.

Tired, week, extremely lethargic, went to bed early, couldn't get up the next morning. Stopped the stane and 48 hours later all is good again (now back on 12.5mg per day).

He is going to get blood work he just isn't to that point yet, the only thing we could conclude was he crashed and that his stane is working.

It'll be at least a week before I run blood again, and another week for the results so I've upped my tamox to 15mg/day. If at next blood work my estrogen is still in the 300's that will be a smoking gun that my tren has estrogen in it.