Input on cycle and PCT

[musclestack]

Stats:

29 years old
5'9"
190lbs.
13% bf
Cycle history: Several cycles in the past, but haven't run AAS in over 6 years (yes, I started young).
Training experience: Have been training since I was 16. There were periods when I wasn't training, but have been back at it hard for the past 3 1/2 years.
Diet: I will post in the nutrition forum, but simply put, it is clean and at 3,800 calories per day.

Cycle:
6 weeks Test Prop @ 150 mg EOD

PCT: I need advice on this as I have never run a cycle this short before. Suggestions?


I am trying a new approach to cycling. Rather than run a long 10-12 week cycle, then running PCT and waiting a long time to get back on, I want to try to run shorter cycles at low-moderate dosages so I can take a shorter amount of time off, then jump back on again as quickly as possible. Hopefully, this will allow me to progress slowly and keep more gains, along with stay more consistent rather than having the yo-yo effect of cycling long then staying off long.

All advice is appreciated and welcome.
MS

[newguy92]

Stats: 29 years old 5'9" 190lbs. 13% bf Cycle history: Several cycles in the past, but haven't run AAS in over 6 years (yes, I started young). Training experience: Have been training since I was 16. There were periods when I wasn't training, but have been back at it hard for the past 3 1/2 years. Diet: I will post in the nutrition forum, but simply put, it is clean and at 3,800 calories per day. Cycle: 6 weeks Test Prop @ 150 mg EOD PCT: I need advice on this as I have never run a cycle this short before. Suggestions? I am trying a new approach to cycling. Rather than run a long 10-12 week cycle, then running PCT and waiting a long time to get back on, I want to try to run shorter cycles at low-moderate dosages so I can take a shorter amount of time off, then jump back on again as quickly as possible. Hopefully, this will allow me to progress slowly and keep more gains, along with stay more consistent rather than having the yo-yo effect of cycling long then staying off long. All advice is appreciated and welcome. MS

Not 100% but I think 8 weeks would be a better time frame for a prop cycle. 8 weeks, pct, 12 weeks off then start again.

[musclestack]

Thanks for the reply, newguy, but after doing some research, I've read that others have had great success keeping their gains with 6 week cycles, running PCT, then jumping back on again, limiting the time they are off. I'd like to try it.

Does anyone have any advice on what and how long PCT should be for this short of a cycle? I should've also added that I CANNOT take clomid. It depresses me too much to the point that I can't even eat. I learned this the hard way.

[musclestack]

Bump. Anyone?

[musclestack]

I'd appreciate anyone who can give my advice on PCT protocol for the above cycle.

MS

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

Do 4 weeks

Clomid 50,50,50,25
Nolva 40,20,20,20

Chuck some otc DAA in there for 4 weeks as well

PCT for such a light cycle should be easy going

If clomid screws you up u may have been taking too high a dose 100mg does it for me, you also may not have had a handle on you Estro levels, if thats the case add aromasin 6.5mg per day for 2 weeks thatl keep estro at bay while your natty test levels are low

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

Look into mucuna Pruiens to also add to your pct, it improves your mood 10 fold, I just finished 100mg per day during my last pct and was happy as the whole time

[musclestack]

Thanks a lot, Diy. What is DAA? And what dose should it be used at?

I can try the clomid again at low doses as you suggest, but if it still screws me up, is there an alternative? Should I add more Nolva to compensate, or is this a no no?

[Cody95]

I think 6 weeks will do you good, it did me, DAA is "d'aspartic acid".

[musclestack]

6 weeks for the cycle itself, Cody? Yea, I'm just trying to maximize gains in the short period, then stay 'off' for as short as possible to help reduce the amount of gains lost in between cycles.

How long did you stay off before going back on, and do you think it helped with keeping more gains? Also, what doses were you running?

[Cody95]

The only thing that is going to determine if you keep your gains is your PCT, training, diet. And realistically you should wait 12 weeks, 6 for PCT and another 6 because you don't want to jump on another cycle right after PCT that would be a dumb decision unless you don't mind f*cking yourself up. Also i ran 100mg ED wk 1-4 and 150mg EOD wk 5-6.

[Capebuffalo]

Please be advised op you are getting advise from an 18 yr old. Just take that into consideration.

[musclestack]

Thanks for the heads up, Cape. While you're here, do you mind giving me some input on my PCT? I already have some great advice from DIY, but if I end up not being able to handle the sides of Clomid, what would you suggest given my proposed cycle?

Cody, I'm not going to flame you for being too young for AAS; I'm sure you got that from a lot of other members. All I will say is that, I too, started AAS at 18 years old. And all I can say is that I wish I would've waited. I'm not going to go into detail, but it did have its negative effects on me. I can't point a finger at you, being guilty of it myself, but I will advise that you stop now and wait until you're older. I do, however, thank you for your input regarding my post. That is all.

[Cody95]

Thanks for the heads up, Cape. While you're here, do you mind giving me some input on my PCT? I already have some great advice from DIY, but if I end up not being able to handle the sides of Clomid, what would you suggest given my proposed cycle?

Cody, I'm not going to flame you for being too young for AAS; I'm sure you got that from a lot of other members. All I will say is that, I too, started AAS at 18 years old. And all I can say is that I wish I would've waited. I'm not going to go into detail, but it did have its negative effects on me. I can't point a finger at you, being guilty of it myself, but I will advise that you stop now and wait until you're older. I do, however, thank you for your input regarding my post. That is all.

I already stopped my cycle today, and i don't plan on doing another cycle anytime soon.

[Cody95]

Please be advised op you are getting advise from an 18 yr old. Just take that into consideration.

Haha, way to be a jacka$$ dude.

[Bio-Active]

Thanks for the heads up, Cape. While you're here, do you mind giving me some input on my PCT? I already have some great advice from DIY, but if I end up not being able to handle the sides of Clomid, what would you suggest given my proposed cycle?

Cody, I'm not going to flame you for being too young for AAS; I'm sure you got that from a lot of other members. All I will say is that, I too, started AAS at 18 years old. And all I can say is that I wish I would've waited. I'm not going to go into detail, but it did have its negative effects on me. I can't point a finger at you, being guilty of it myself, but I will advise that you stop now and wait until you're older. I do, however, thank you for your input regarding my post. That is all.

A standard pct would be clomid 100/50/50/50 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

[DiyGynoSurgeon]

Thanks a lot, Diy. What is DAA? And what dose should it be used at?

I can try the clomid again at low doses as you suggest, but if it still screws me up, is there an alternative? Should I add more Nolva to compensate, or is this a no no?

DAA at 3grams per day should suffice

I do know of guys who only do nolva only in their PCTs not sure on their dosing though so I cannot make an informed answer on that

Just be aware when you crash in PCT your emotions can go on a roller coaster so it may not be the clomid, manage estro and youll mellow out any female emotions during pct

[musclestack]

Ok, Diy. I think I'll go ahead and get the clomid, Nolva, DAA, and the aromasin, and go with Jim's protocol for PCT. If the sides from the clomid are too bad, even with the DAA and Aromasin, I'll go ahead with a Nolva only PCT at 40/40/20/20, and keep the aromasin and DAA in there as well.

I may also try this mucuna Pruiens you mentioned also. Do you have experience with it outside of AAS/PCT as well? Does it naturally improve your mood regardless of whether you're on PCT or not? I may look into this as an everyday supplement if this is the case.

Thanks a lot, everyone.

[Black]

I already stopped my cycle today, and i don't plan on doing another cycle anytime soon.

You stopped your cycle, which is what you should've done because you had no business using steroids. Good for you. With that being said, you have no knowledge to pass on to other members.

[Capebuffalo]

A standard pct would be clomid 100/50/50/50 nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Sorry was away. This is standard