What you think of this cycle?

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 06:20 PM

I'm going to run my 4th cycle and 1st one with Tren . Let me get your feedback on it.

Week 1-10:
500mg/tren a/weekly
500mg/test prop/weekly

Week6-10:
Winstrol /100mg daily

I will run Arimedex at .25 EOD

Usually I run HCG throughout. This time I am doing it different. Going to start HCG near week 8. Then Clomid/Nolva for PCT along with HCG first couple weeks.

How do my numbers look?? I have not used tren or winny before. I am also not a believer of running small doses just so that I can get the effect. I want max effect without overdoing it.

**king6 II** · 03-07-2014, 06:59 PM

I would stick to 350mg per week of tren ace. That's what I ran for my first time, and that sides with that were significant, but so were the results. I also ran prop at 525mg per week. Never ran winny so I can not comment on it however, I would leave the winny out unless you are cutting.

**kelkel** · 03-07-2014, 07:05 PM

Agree with King. You don't need that much Tren . More isn't always a better philosophy. You can always ramp it up a bit as you go if needed. Tren's a different animal.
No reason to not run HCG .
Don't run HCG at the same time as serms. Counter-productive.

**Bert** · 03-07-2014, 07:12 PM

50mg tren eod would be plenty.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by king6 II

I would stick to 350mg per week of tren ace. That's what I ran for my first time, and that sides with that were significant, but so were the results. I also ran prop at 525mg per week. Never ran winny so I can not comment on it however, I would leave the winny out unless you are cutting.

Thanks for input. I know tren comes with some sides. Probably be wiser to lower the dose to start and see how I am handling it. Think I'll go down to 400 then.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Agree with King. You don't need that much Tren . More isn't always a better philosophy. You can always ramp it up a bit as you go if needed. Tren's a different animal.
No reason to not run HCG .
Don't run HCG at the same time as serms. Counter-productive.

I have heard tren is a different animal. I will start it lower and if not satisfied like you said I can always bump it up.

I am going with another popular HCG method to see how I like it. I got the idea from Rich Piana, so I am gonna try his protocol for it. I'll start it at week 8 and be done by 1st week of PCT. I know it suppresses LH which PCT meds bring back. Test/tren will suppress natural test production, so why fight it with HCG trying to bring it back? I will leave it suppressed and hit HCG hard (1500iu 3x a week for 3 weeks) at the end to bring it back.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by AshopRep

50mg tren eod would be plenty.

Ya I will start a little lower than what I originally planned.

**gearbox** · 03-07-2014, 10:52 PM

id up the dose of adex also, but you can obviously adjust accordingly.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

id up the dose of adex also, but you can obviously adjust accordingly.

Right. With tren being so powerful that makes sense.

**havanakid** · 03-07-2014, 11:00 PM

Have prami or caber in hand in case prolactin sides occur.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

Have prami or caber in hand in case prolactin sides occur.

Yes I do..thanks. I have my prami left over from a NPP cycle in which I didn't end up needing it.

**havanakid** · 03-07-2014, 11:07 PM

I just started a new cycle this week.First time on tren .Prop at 75mg eod and tren A at 50 mg eod.I would rethink the dose and lower it buddy cause tren at 400 weekly for the first time is a little bit much.Good luck with your cycle Live For The Pump

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-07-2014, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

I just started a new cycle this week.First time on tren.Prop at 75mg eod and tren A at 50 mg eod.I would rethink the dose and lower it buddy cause tren at 400 weekly for the first time is a little bit much.Good luck with your cycle Live For The Pump

Thanks brotha. Good luck on your cycle as well!

**ironbeck** · 03-08-2014, 03:26 AM

Just curious what your other 3 cycles looked like?

**kelkel** · 03-08-2014, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Live for the PUMP

I have heard tren is a different animal. I will start it lower and if not satisfied like you said I can always bump it up.

I am going with another popular HCG method to see how I like it. I got the idea from Rich Piana, so I am gonna try his protocol for it. I'll start it at week 8 and be done by 1st week of PCT. I know it suppresses LH which PCT meds bring back. Test/tren will suppress natural test production, so why fight it with HCG trying to bring it back? I will leave it suppressed and hit HCG hard (1500iu 3x a week for 3 weeks) at the end to bring it back.

It's not fighting it. It's preventing it from being totally shut down or dormant thus making pct more effective.

**austinite** · 03-08-2014, 09:06 AM

hCG on cycle from the start. Why would you put your seatbelt on after you get in a wreck? There is a whole lot more to hCG than most people assume.

**Live for the PUMP** · 03-08-2014, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

Just curious what your other 3 cycles looked like?

Let me quench your curiosity lol.

1st: test e 500mg/12weeks
2nd: test e 600mg/8weeks and DBOL at 50mg/4weeks
3rd: test p 625mg/8weeks and NPP/525/8weeks