Need help with adex on cycle...

**jabroni07** · 03-11-2014, 04:55 PM

Hi all. I am 24 years old, 5'9 205 lbs. Lifting stats: Bench-315x3, Squat-435x5, Deadlift-515x6. Currently in my third week of my first cycle. Dosage is 600 mg/wk of test cyp, with 250iu of hcg daily. I realize the HCG is too high but I wanted to see if I could get a natural boost the first few weeks. Starting my 4th week I will drop it down to 250iu 2x week. Anyway, I've been experiencing some weird side effects such as racing thoughts, anxiety, depression, hot flashes, insomnia/ frequent wakenings, and low sex drive, and I am convinced it is related to my e2/estradiol being too high or too low. I'm sure that the amount of hcg i've been taking is complicating things. I experimented with various dosages of adex, (.25ed, .25eod, .125ed etc.) and for some periods of time I feel great, however eventually I start feeling horrible again. I'm not sure if its me driving the e2 too low, or it constantly being too high. What would be a good dosage of adex to begin with, and will me dropping the hcg down to lower dosages have any affect on this? Thanks for the help in advance.

**Docd187123** · 03-11-2014, 05:08 PM

Have you considered doing blood work to find out if you're guess is correct? .25mg/EOD is a good beginning dose until bloods tell otherwise. You do realize only so much stimulation can occur with HCG ? There's only so many Ledyig cells and only so much stimulation they can receive.

**gold43** · 03-11-2014, 05:11 PM

^^ agreed. That much hCG is pointless. Due to the half life of Adex, it's only needed EOD. .25-.50 should be more than enough with just test. You need blood panels to figure out what's wrong.

**jabroni07** · 03-11-2014, 05:29 PM

Thank you for the replies! Yes i realized going into it that that was going too be too much hcg . I just wanted to really see what would happen to be honest at a mono therapy dosage. I will definitely drop it down. I am getting bloods next week, however for now would it be recommended to drop the hcg and adex and see how i feel? im 90 percent sure that its the super high dose of hcg thats causing it since its known to cause e2 sides at high doses.

**gold43** · 03-11-2014, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by jabroni07

Thank you for the replies! Yes i realized going into it that that was going too be too much hcg. I just wanted to really see what would happen to be honest at a mono therapy dosage. I will definitely drop it down. I am getting bloods next week, however for now would it be recommended to drop the hcg and adex and see how i feel? im 90 percent sure that its the super high dose of hcg thats causing it since its known to cause e2 sides at high doses.

You can drop them both temporarily, and see how you feel. You still need blood panels ASAP and you still need to cycle with hCG . If you feel better in a week, slowly introduce both back into you system one by one. Start with the hCG first. Keep us posted. Good Luck!

**gold43** · 03-11-2014, 05:51 PM

What's your pct plan?

**jabroni07** · 03-11-2014, 06:25 PM

PCT is as follows:

Starting 14 days after last test cyp inject ill run Clomid : 105/70/70/35/35 Nolvadex : 40/40/20/20/20, dropping hcg 4 days before the start of PCT. May drop the first week clomid dose down, dont want any vision sides or anything. When I reintroduce the HCG what do you recommend doseage wise? I've got plenty on hand.

**gold43** · 03-11-2014, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by jabroni07

PCT is as follows:

Starting 14 days after last test cyp inject ill run Clomid : 105/70/70/35/35 Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20, dropping hcg 4 days before the start of PCT. May drop the first week clomid dose down, dont want any vision sides or anything. When I reintroduce the HCG what do you recommend doseage wise? I've got plenty on hand.

250iu twice a week

Standard pct for test only is
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20