Test and arimidex vs test and tren?

**goatofthunder** · 03-15-2014, 03:20 AM

Hi, just wondering what diffrence i might expect in terms of resaults when comparing 750 mg test e and 1 mg adex eod vs trt dose test and 300-400 mg tren . I´m currently cutting with the first protocol and doing very good, i´d say. Last year I tried tren, I made the mistake of reducing my kcal too much, and over all it was not a pleasent time when i recall it, night sweats and other sides did bother me a bit.

In terms of gains and resaults, whats your take on the two methods?

**Honkey_Kong** · 03-15-2014, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

Hi, just wondering what diffrence i might expect in terms of resaults when comparing 750 mg test e and 1 mg adex eod vs trt dose test and 300-400 mg tren . I´m currently cutting with the first protocol and doing very good, i´d say. Last year I tried tren, I made the mistake of reducing my kcal too much, and over all it was not a pleasent time when i recall it, night sweats and other sides did bother me a bit.

In terms of gains and resaults, whats your take on the two methods?

Your profile says you're 6'1 and 183lbs and you've run tren? You need to learn how to eat before you ever even think about messing with steroids again. Don't take that personally, but steroids are not magic. And you're risking health for something that if you learned to diet and train right, you could easily attain naturally.

**goatofthunder** · 03-15-2014, 04:05 AM

I know that now, I´m currently eating a lot better, more kcal, more clean food and am currently 200 lbs and about 12-13%.
I know running the tren last year was a mistake the way i did it, I was always under impression that low carb was the way to go when it comes to cutting and I restricted my kcal way too much, but now i´m eating more clean carbs, 50,30,20 split and doing good in my opinion. I don´t take this personally at all, since I completely agree with that my diet was crap during my last cycle

**Docd187123** · 03-15-2014, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

Hi, just wondering what diffrence i might expect in terms of resaults when comparing 750 mg test e and 1 mg adex eod vs trt dose test and 300-400 mg tren . I´m currently cutting with the first protocol and doing very good, i´d say. Last year I tried tren, I made the mistake of reducing my kcal too much, and over all it was not a pleasent time when i recall it, night sweats and other sides did bother me a bit.

In terms of gains and resaults, whats your take on the two methods?

Basically you're comparing test to test and tren. Adex isn't an anabolic or androgenic steroid it's and AI. I'm concerned about the fact you seem to think adex is a steroid.

**kronik420** · 03-15-2014, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

Hi, just wondering what diffrence i might expect in terms of resaults when comparing 750 mg test e and 1 mg adex eod vs trt dose test and 300-400 mg tren . I´m currently cutting with the first protocol and doing very good, i´d say. Last year I tried tren, I made the mistake of reducing my kcal too much, and over all it was not a pleasent time when i recall it, night sweats and other sides did bother me a bit.

In terms of gains and resaults, whats your take on the two methods?

your logic is flawed to say the least..

just because you take a low dose of test does not mean you don't need an AI.. also 1mg adex EOD is overkill for most people, unless your getting bloods done while on cycle and you actually need that much adex...

and more than likely you will feel good on test, but feel like shit on tren... just my .02

**goatofthunder** · 03-15-2014, 06:05 AM

I know I´ve mad some mistakes in the past, and I know adex is not a steroid .
I have how ever never cycled with it before and there for am curious to see what to expect when using it with test.
The reason I mention 1mg eod is that most of the stuff here in Iceland is underdosed..

**goatofthunder** · 03-15-2014, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

your logic is flawed to say the least..

just because you take a low dose of test does not mean you don't need an AI.. also 1mg adex EOD is overkill for most people, unless your getting bloods done while on cycle and you actually need that much adex...

and more than likely you will feel good on test, but feel like shit on tren... just my .02

I´m interested to hear how my logic is flawed, I´m not trying to start an argument by any means, just trying expand my knowledge...

**kronik420** · 03-15-2014, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

I´m interested to hear how my logic is flawed, I´m not trying to start an argument by any means, just trying expand my knowledge...

you still may need an AI while on a TRT dose of test...

**goatofthunder** · 03-15-2014, 06:13 AM

Ok, I´ve never heard that before...
For example a normal guy produces maybe 70-100 mg of test per week, if i recall correctly and does not need AI.
Why do you need it when you use 100-150 mg of test per week?
As for the benefits of AI, I´ve never gotten any symptoms of gyno and been able to keep bloat down by managing my diet, how will Adex help me if i´m not experiencing gyno sympthoms?

**Docd187123** · 03-15-2014, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

I know I´ve mad some mistakes in the past, and I know adex is not a steroid .
I have how ever never cycled with it before and there for am curious to see what to expect when using it with test.
The reason I mention 1mg eod is that most of the stuff here in Iceland is underdosed..

You should use it in the presence of any aromatizable steroid not just test. It should be a part of the test tren cycle you mentioned as well. You can expect it to lower estradiol and minimize it's side effects.

Elevated estradiol is bad. Just bc you didn't bloat or get gyno doesn't mean your estradiol levels weren't high.

He's not saying you necessarily need an AI at a TRT dose but you very well may. Some do some don't. Blood work will answer that for you.

**kronik420** · 03-15-2014, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by goatofthunder

Ok, I´ve never heard that before...
For example a normal guy produces maybe 70-100 mg of test per week, if i recall correctly and does not need AI.
Why do you need it when you use 100-150 mg of test per week?
As for the benefits of AI, I´ve never gotten any symptoms of gyno and been able to keep bloat down by managing my diet, how will Adex help me if i´m not experiencing gyno sympthoms?

some people on TRT don't need an AI, and some do.. get blood work done to check your E2 levels.. and everything else..

gyno is only 1 of 100 problems you could experience if you don't control your E2..

**Cuz** · 03-15-2014, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Basically you're comparing test to test and tren. Adex isn't an anabolic or androgenic steroid it's and AI. I'm concerned about the fact you seem to think adex is a steroid.

^^^This