Strength not Size

[JSmith0372]

I'm wanting to put on tremendous strength that is keep able while only keeping a SOLID 5 - 10lbs that I can keep post cycle and maintain. I'm more concerned on the strength gains rather than just size. I have 4 vials of Test E and can get more compounds thrown (already own dbol, adex, clomid, arimidex, and HCG).

So for clarification what can I cycle for "keepable "strength gains rather than size. Other than anavar of course.

[greenwell001]

I'm wanting to put on tremendous strength that is keep able while only keeping a SOLID 5 - 10lbs that I can keep post cycle and maintain. I'm more concerned on the strength gains rather than just size. I have 4 vials of Test E and can get more compounds thrown (already own dbol, adex, clomid, arimidex, and HCG).

So for clarification what can I cycle for "keepable "strength gains rather than size. Other than anavar of course.

Train for strength. You know there is a difference right?

[JSmith0372]

Train for strength. You know there is a difference right?

So basically, as long as I train for strength vs size I will not gain much size. That's the point I'm trying to get at.

[Cuz]

Food intake will determine most of your size vs strength battle not compounds. And obviously training style

What's your cycle experience look like?

[JSmith0372]

Food intake will determine most of your size vs strength battle not compounds. And obviously training style What's your cycle experience look like?

This will be my first cycle. Never experienced with any aas. Just trying to be safe as possible with it, as well as achieve the goals and expectations I have for them.

[Docd187123]

I'm wanting to put on tremendous strength that is keep able while only keeping a SOLID 5 - 10lbs that I can keep post cycle and maintain. I'm more concerned on the strength gains rather than just size. I have 4 vials of Test E and can get more compounds thrown (already own dbol, adex, clomid, arimidex, and HCG).

So for clarification what can I cycle for "keepable "strength gains rather than size. Other than anavar of course.

All gains are keep able provided to eat and train right and have a hormonal environment conducive to keeping those gains. If this is your first cycle it should be test only. What are your stats?

[JSmith0372]

All gains are keep able provided to eat and train right and have a hormonal environment conducive to keeping those gains. If this is your first cycle it should be test only. What are your stats?

200lbs Solid
Apx. 10-12% BF
6' 0"

[Docd187123]

200lbs Solid
Apx. 10-12% BF
6' 0"

How old? You've got a pretty good base. If you don't want to gain much wrong you'll need to eat at maintenance or just slightly above. Restrict calories will ultimately restrict strength in the long run but don't take that to mean you can't get strong without gaining weight.

The compound you choose is less important than the training you'll be doing? What are you doing now and what do you plan on doing while on?

[mod1-4]

Halo

[JSmith0372]

How old? You've got a pretty good base. If you don't want to gain much wrong you'll need to eat at maintenance or just slightly above. Restrict calories will ultimately restrict strength in the long run but don't take that to mean you can't get strong without gaining weight. The compound you choose is less important than the training you'll be doing? What are you doing now and what do you plan on doing while on?

Right now I've been on an 8 week hypertrophy workout with my trainer. Planning to mix in between hypertrophy and low rep range for the next month and a half. When I start my cycle I plan to work on strength with my main core lifts "bench, squats, cleans, and deadlift" and high rep ranges for my not as important muscle groups "bi's, tri's, shoulders, traps, calfs". I'm not really going for appearance mainly strength that I can keep post cycle.

[Docd187123]

Right now I've been on an 8 week hypertrophy workout with my trainer. Planning to mix in between hypertrophy and low rep range for the next month and a half. When I start my cycle I plan to work on strength with my main core lifts "bench, squats, cleans, and deadlift" and high rep ranges for my not as important muscle groups "bi's, tri's, shoulders, traps, calfs". I'm not really going for appearance mainly strength that I can keep post cycle.

Age?

IMO you'd be better suited picking a reliable training program instead. Something like a Texas Method, 5/3/1, Westside, etc. All very good proven programs. If you're comfortable creating your own by all means don't let me deter you.

[Cuz]

No wonder he is hesitant about answering his age. Profile says 18.

[Docd187123]

No wonder he is hesitant about answering his age. Profile says 18.

Kind of figured that after asking twice or three times for age and not getting answered lol. Thanks for checking though.

[DFRELAT]

You're 18, just get your ass in the gym already! Eat more, train hard and heavy. Still have alot of room to grow. I'd say don't take anything unless you're an athlete looking at a professional career and consider the risks are worth it.

[songdog]

At 18 I would toss the juice in the trash.Then work on a good solid diet.At your age that is really all you need.

[AsEpSiS]

What a *****!! 18 and looking to juice!? Eat, train, sleep, grow. Good lord!

[clarkey02]

You little bastards always looking for a shortcut!!!!

Get your ass in the gym and eat you little punk!!!!

[MuscleInk]

You little bastards always looking for a shortcut!!!!

Get your ass in the gym and eat you little punk!!!!

^^^Exactly my thought.

[JSmith0372]

You little bastards always looking for a shortcut!!!! Get your ass in the gym and eat you little punk!!!!

Bro you have no idea the training/dieting that I put in, no idea. I'm 18, might not be as bulky as you bc that's not my goal but 1v1 every single lift you name it, I will blow your PR out of water along with conditioning, flexibility, mobility, and every actual athletic movement. There's more to lifting light ass weight with high reps to "look" like you are strong and it's a whole other ball game "being" strong while at low weight, training for a calorie deficit sport constantly cutting in season.

But then again, you look strong bro, that's it. Congrats, that's like having a v6 mustang and stamping gt500 cobra labels all over it hah. Use the term punk lightly when all I was asking was for advise not to get flamed. Gtfo.

[greenwell001]

Bro you have no idea the training/dieting that I put in, no idea. I'm 18, might not be as bulky as you bc that's not my goal but 1v1 every single lift you name it, I will blow your PR out of water along with conditioning, flexibility, mobility, and every actual athletic movement. There's more to lifting light ass weight with high reps to "look" like you are strong and it's a whole other ball game "being" strong while at low weight, training for a calorie deficit sport constantly cutting in season.

But then again, you look strong bro, that's it. Congrats, that's like having a v6 mustang and stamping gt500 cobra labels all over it hah. Use the term punk lightly when all I was asking was for advise not to get flamed. Gtfo.

that is ****ing hilarious bro. I like your attitude. these guys on here really just want what is best for you and for you not to make the same mistakes these ****s did, and now a lot of them are on trt or cruising because they cannot make endogenous testosterone anymore. my goals are the same as yours man, strong and athletic as ****! I am 32 years old and I am the strongest and LIGHTEST that I have ever been. I was an elite college athlete in my sport. I don't use juice, but I do juice my veggies. you sound like you have an intelligent trainer or you know how to train yourself, but at 18 you really don't know shit when it comes to foresight with things like this. stick to low reps and go ****ing heavy, after doing a 5 x 5 set sometimes I do singles until I cant shake the last DL up. Hypertophy on your auxillary muscles is fine. I don't know what your sport is, but for athletic explosiveness plyometrics is what you want for speed and being explosive. Don't mess with AAS yet, don't you want to see what you can do yourself first? I know that I would, just to see what kind of genetics I had. you get the point? you have to understand these guys aren't athletes, they are body models, i mean body builders. i just remembered why i haven't been on this forum for a long time.

[sportsman23]

Test, halo also on cycle hcg and a Ai with proper pct

[Black]

Halo

This is why you check their stats before posting.

[RangerDanger830]

Check out this guy, 18 years old and ready to take on the world. I remember when I used to know everything and could beat everyone at everything. For the record, when asking for advice, please listen and not get defensive because you do not like what you heard. Man. Sounds like he doesn't need any advice if he is already lifting more than us.

[chaps]

I wouldn't recommend a low rep routine on AAS. Just asking for injury.

[greenwell001]

I wouldn't recommend a low rep routine on AAS. Just asking for injury.

Very good point mister. Tendons and ligaments cannot keep up with growth especially when you are doing heavy low rep routines that recruit every single muscle fiber you have. Unless you already have a good base. This alloys for everyone, not just old decrepit bastards.

[RangerDanger830]

Very good point mister. Tendons and ligaments cannot keep up with growth especially when you are doing heavy low rep routines that recruit every single muscle fiber you have. Unless you already have a good base. This alloys for everyone, not just old decrepit bastards.

I can say this is true from experience. Years ago my shoulder paid the price for this and it took a year and a half to recover and upwards of two years to get to where I could truly lift optimally and get everything caught up.

[Docd187123]

Not doing low reps on AAS is as much bro science as not taking an AI bc you never get gyno. If YOU wish to not lift heavy by all means feel free to those that do, they love it, are better bc of it, and would not drop it for anything.

[DFRELAT]

So many condescending people in here that are talking out of their asses and haven't done shit

[RangerDanger830]

Why yes I have done shit, I did it this morning as soon as I woke up

[chaps]

Not doing low reps on AAS is as much bro science as not taking an AI bc you never get gyno. If YOU wish to not lift heavy by all means feel free to those that do, they love it, are better bc of it, and would not drop it for anything.

This is not bro science. The cycle he has planned will reduce his collagen. This will make tendons heal slower after workouts. Meanwhile his muscle fibers will be growing like crazy. Just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean there is no risk. Lots of people here have injured themselves this way.

[RangerDanger830]

This is not bro science. The cycle he has planned will reduce his collagen. This will make tendons heal slower after workouts. Meanwhile his muscle fibers will be growing like crazy. Just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean there is no risk. Lots of people here have injured themselves this way.

I've injured my shoulder this way

[Docd187123]

This is not bro science. The cycle he has planned will reduce his collagen. This will make tendons heal slower after workouts. Meanwhile his muscle fibers will be growing like crazy.

So? You're assuming collagen synthesis is the only measure of tendon strength. Also please tell what's going to reduce his collagen.

Heavy strength training on the other hand increases tendon strength. So basically what you're advising him against is actually one of the things that will prevent the very injury you're trying to prevent.

Just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean there is no risk. Lots of people here have injured themselves this way.

And just bc you've had problems doesn't make it a risk either. So we've proven nothing.

[David LoPan]

At 18 your not old enough to even get a car note to buy a mustang with a V-6. If you are really "Just trying to be safe as possible" listen to what others are saying and not take them. With your attitude and talking about how great you are I bet you are a HS wrestler and your "trainer" is your coach.

Did you even read this http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[RangerDanger830]

So? You're assuming collagen synthesis is the only measure of tendon strength. Also please tell what's going to reduce his collagen.

Heavy strength training on the other hand increases tendon strength. So basically what you're advising him against is actually one of the things that will prevent the very injury you're trying to prevent.



And just bc you've had problems doesn't make it a risk either. So we've proven nothing.

I think you both are referring to two different types of heavy lifting. One being pushing yourself to your limits, the other being trying to put up slightly more weight than you should be and hurting yourself...right...? We're getting a little off topic here but I would like to clarify that I am not saying not to lift heavy at all, just lift within your means. I can't speak for anyone else though.

[chaps]

So? You're assuming collagen synthesis is the only measure of tendon strength. Also please tell what's going to reduce his collagen.

Heavy strength training on the other hand increases tendon strength. So basically what you're advising him against is actually one of the things that will prevent the very injury you're trying to prevent.



And just bc you've had problems doesn't make it a risk either. So we've proven nothing.

The effects of anabolic steroids on collagen synthesis in rat skeletal muscle and tendon

Here's the supporting literature for my side of the story. There's plenty more too. Where's yours?

[RangerDanger830]

The effects of anabolic steroids on collagen synthesis in rat skeletal muscle and tendon

Here's the supporting literature for my side of the story. There's plenty more too. Where's yours?

I cannot view without registering, what was the "therapeutic dosage" they used?