Atkins on Cycle

[hgdw86]

Hey all!

I started my cycle on the 3rd of March 2014 basically been on for 5 weeks, this week being the start of week 6, Stats before i started:

105kg
+- 12% body fat


I am now 110kg and lost roughly 1% body fat

Here is my current cycle info:

Week 1 -16 - Test E 600mg/week (16 weeks)
Week 1 - 10 - EQ 600mg/week(10 weeks)
Week 3 - 12 - Tren E 600mg/week (10 weeks)
Week 1 - 6 - TBOL 40mg ED (6 weeks)
Week 13 - 16 - Winstrol tabs - 1 per day (4 weeks)
Week 1 and 2 - Clen (2 weeks)
Week 13 - 16 - Clen (3 weeks)
Week 1 - 16 - 1 x 250ui HCG one day before test shot
Arimidex at 0.25 EOD for the full 16 weeks

Week 17 - only arimidex 0.25mg

PCT - starting week 18

Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I dont mind if i dont pick up too much more muscle but want to get to 6% body fat - roughly 5% or so to go, has anyone been on the atkins diet while on a cycle like this? i was thinking the only carbs i would take it is some steamed veg, i want to totally take out starch? maybe just take a supplement with cytomaize or something like that just before i train, to get glucose into my bloodstream while training? My body does really well on the atkins while not on cycle, dont get tired, keep my energy levels up, lose body fat and dont lose muscle. I do feel a lot better when not eating starch.

Any advice or comments?

[hgdw86]

Would it be better to place this on another thread on the forum?

Would really like to hear from someone that has experience with atkins on cycle?

[Matt007]

U have any start up pics bro?

[hgdw86]

No, only one i took about 2 weeks ago, should have taken in the beginning but totally crossed my mind?

[Matt007]

Okay feel free to post it, wanna see where your at bro, I am also on a cut as well, been on my cut for 8 weeks

[slfmade]

Since your question is diet related...it would probably get more views and answers in the nutrition section

[Lunk1]

Holy fuk me in the aas! Thats some cycle for a first time user! Have you had bloodwork done mid cycle? You SHOULD! Your RBC and lipids are going to hate you!

Why EQ and on and Atkins? Seems counter productive?

[Bigshotvictoria]

That's 1.8g of gear every week, not including the two methylated orals. For a first stack that's nothing short of nutty. Also, no prami or caber with all of that tren ?

Honestly, 500mg of test alone would have given you fantastic results.

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[newguy92]

Look up the paleo diet. It's basically fruits, vegetables, meat and nuts. Eat your fruits earlier on on the day or post workout.

[Back In Black]

It's not his first cycle.

OP I'd love to see a pic because your avi is nowhere near 12%.

[Docd187123]

Look up the paleo diet. It's basically fruits, vegetables, meat and nuts. Eat your fruits earlier on on the day or post workout.

It doesn't matter when you eat your fruits, it's based on individual preferences.

http://www.nsca.com/uploadedfiles/ns...ook/aragon.pdf

[newguy92]

It doesn't matter when you eat your fruits, it's based on individual preferences. http://www.nsca.com/uploadedfiles/ns...ook/aragon.pdf

I know but he wants to cut more fat and since carbs turn to fats when not used, he'd be better off to eat them in the morning or post working IMO instead of smashing a grapefruit right before bed

[Docd187123]

I know but he wants to cut more fat and since carbs turn to fats when not used, he'd be better off to eat them in the morning or post working IMO instead of smashing a grapefruit right before bed

Carbs VERY VERY VERY RARELY get converted to fat. The timing of which has no effect on the process.

[Docd187123]

The studies showing carbs being converted to fat are done on rodents which process carbohydrates very differently than humans do. Unless you're eating 700-900g of carbs for multiple days, suffer from hyperinsulinemia (some evidence exists but nothing conclusive), or you're INFUSING 1.5 x TDEE of carbs it's simply not going to be an issue.

[newguy92]

The studies showing carbs being converted to fat are done on rodents which process carbohydrates very differently than humans do. Unless you're eating 700-900g of carbs for multiple days, suffer from hyperinsulinemia (some evidence exists but nothing conclusive), or you're INFUSING 1.5 x TDEE of carbs it's simply not going to be an issue.

Thanks for the insight.

[magic32]

I hope that's not your first cycle.

I agree with BackInBlack, the avie is certainly not 12% bf.

The standard Atkins diet, although somewhat similar to the precontest diet is too high fats and cholesterol for a bb'er...unless he modifies it for those two factors. Even a cutting/precontest dieter should regularly consume vegetables, and cycle complex carbs in every few days for their respective benefits.

All macronutrients (fats, carbs, and proteins) when consumed in excess of expenditure, can be stored as fat, especially during times of inactivity (which reduces expenditure) like before bed. That's precisely what 'stored fat' is - excessive calories that were not metabolized into energy, or eliminated from the body as waste. However, fruits and vegetables do not contribute to this because of their composition (very low cal, water-based, largely insoluble fiber; with a couple exceptions). Consequently, a grapefruit before bed is not harmful to the physique.

[Docd187123]

All macronutrients (fats, carbs, and proteins) when consumed in excess of expenditure, can be stored as fat, especially during times of inactivity (which reduces expenditure) like before bed. That's precisely what 'stored fat' is - excessive calories that were not metabolized into energy, or eliminated from the body as waste. However, fruits and vegetables do not contribute to this because of their composition (very low cal, water-based, largely insoluble fiber; with a couple exceptions). Consequently, a grapefruit before bed is not harmful to the physique.

Respectfully, I have to disagree. Carbs and especially protein are RARELY, if ever, stored as fat. Even in normal excess. DNL is rare in humans. If you have an excess of carbs or protein it simply means you burn more of them and tap into stored fat as energy less. Total net fat stores will have gone up but not bc carbs and protein were stored, simply bc their intake means less fatty acid oxidation for energy.

Eating before bed will not increase fat anymore than an isocaloric meal would at any other time of day. It's not the time or activity levels, it's overall balance. All recent and relevant research points to nutrient timing being nothing more than individual preferences.

Fruits and vegetables would most certainly add to the problem but not directly; as I mentioned above they'd not be stored directly.

Consequently, neither is any other fruit, or food/meal, that fits into your energy needs harmful to one's physique if taken before bed.

[jngymrat]

Carbs VERY VERY VERY RARELY get converted to fat. The timing of which has no effect on the process.

What the Heck!!! Carbs rarely ever convert to fat?? Where on earth did you ever hear such a thing??

[Docd187123]

What the Heck!!! Carbs rarely ever convert to fat?? Where on earth did you ever hear such a thing??

Can't tell of you're joking or being serious so:

No common energy currency: de novo lipogenesis as the road less traveled

How We Get Fat | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

De novo lipogenesis in humans: metabolic and regulatory aspects. - ResearchGate

Am J Clin Nutr. 1987 Jan;45(1):78-85. Links
Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.

[hgdw86]

Not sure why everyone thinks this is my first cycle, i have done 3 cycles prior, only side effects from the gear at the moment is that my blood pressure is getting a bit high 160/98 but thats usually when i take my pre workout, which i wont be taking anymore until im done with the tren . I do check my blood pressure everyday to make sure it doesnt go over bored, if it does i will definitely lowwer my dose. Yes the AVI is definitely not while im at 12% thats more like 18% i will post a recent photo. K so it seems atkins not the answer, will just eat more complex carbs vegs, no fruit and minimal starch, my body reacts very bad to starch, get extreme heart burn. I did do blood tests before my cycle and it was so: Cortisol 312, DHEAS 2.9 Total testosterone 20.7 SHBG 48.3 Free Test 349.5 Estrogen 132 and finally progesterone 0.9 so looked very good and balanced before my cycle, i take a lot of care post cycle to get my hormaones balanced asap. Would you guys suggest i go for blood work during my cycle?

[hgdw86]

Guys please would you advise on bigshotvictoria's comment 'Also, no prami or caber with all of that tren ?'

Would you recommend i take caber on this cycle, please take note that i am taking arimidex on cycle .25 EOD

I have had no erection problems at all, to be honest my erection hasnt been better and my sex drive is extremely high, also when doing my blood tests my progesterone was actually a little too low which i didnt mind because tren is a progestin and proclactin binds to pregesterone, which ultimately gets the body ready to produce milk, which hasnt happen to me either.

Any advice?

[newguy92]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=149800"/>Not sure why everyone thinks this is my first cycle, i have done 3 cycles prior, only side effects from the gear at the moment is that my blood pressure is getting a bit high 160/98 but thats usually when i take my pre workout, which i wont be taking anymore until im done with the tren. I do check my blood pressure everyday to make sure it doesnt go over bored, if it does i will definitely lowwer my dose. Yes the AVI is definitely not while im at 12% thats more like 18% i will post a recent photo. K so it seems atkins not the answer, will just eat more complex carbs vegs, no fruit and minimal starch, my body reacts very bad to starch, get extreme heart burn. I did do blood tests before my cycle and it was so: Cortisol 312, DHEAS 2.9 Total testosterone 20.7 SHBG 48.3 Free Test 349.5 Estrogen 132 and finally progesterone 0.9 so looked very good and balanced before my cycle, i take a lot of care post cycle to get my hormaones balanced asap. Would you guys suggest i go for blood work during my cycle?

Not sure what this picture means? Definitely doesn't look like you've cycled.

[hgdw86]

@newguy92 - dude dont think u the smartest ive ever met, i posted the pic because members wanted to see how i looked closer to the start of my cycle, i weighed about 104kg there and now at 110kg, i havent taken a cycle in over a year b4 this cycle, so no i shouldnt look like im on cycle when i start - that make any sense to you????? just to make you understand a little better, think you need it - when i started taking my gym serious in 2006 - 8 years ago i weighed 76 kg im now at 110 kg - thats 34 kgs!!!! im not on cycle now to look like a bodybuilder or enter a competition - i enjoy aas as it increases my strength and makes me train like a demon!!!! Like ive said prior i dont intent picking up much more weight, would just like to get super ripped - if i can weigh 115kg im happy - really dont need to look like i do cycle - just need to look good, which i am!!!!