Somethings wrong if u aint 200lbs after running gear!

[Steve.O]

Loada sh1t and quite frankly is insulting. Guys who go on about diet and training sayin your doing something wrong if uve run 5 cycles in the last 3 years for example. Wtf? How is that? Many guys do it and IMO utter garbage. Every1s different size and shape, some of us have more naturally muscular physique than others. Ive lifted for 7years consistently. Run 5-6 cycles and stil under 200lb. BUT! Im a ectomorph, smal frame and bones. My best pal who is naturally bigger than me and weighs 2 stone heavier and stands at the same height as me. Doesnt look as muscular as me.Ya cant always judge a persons progress jus by weight. Jus pisses me of a bit. Whats you guys opinion? Thnx Steve.o

Stats:
5ft9.5
191Lbs
Age: 28
Bodyfat: 11 or 12%
Cycles: 5/6

[Steve.O]

No i dont use hgh or insulin and yes i av tippd the scaler at jus over 200lbs in the past

[Hrothgar]

wat?

[Steve.O]

I was making a statement and was curious to other peoples opinions on this

[Live for the PUMP]

Steve, people that tell guys they are underweight due to the amount of cycles they have done are ignorant. Weight on a scale doesn't mean shit. What matters is how you look. So many factors go into weight; height, age, bone size, etc, etc.

Now if a guy is over 6 feet tall and under 200 with multiple cycles then there is an obvious problem.

[Docd187123]

Steve, people that tell guys they are underweight due to the amount of cycles they have done are ignorant. Weight on a scale doesn't mean shit. What matters is how you look. So many factors go into weight; height, age, bone size, etc, etc.

Now if a guy is over 6 feet tall and under 200 with multiple cycles then there is an obvious problem.

So you basically make a statement and then contradict it a few lines later?

[Live for the PUMP]

So you basically make a statement and then contradict it a few lines later?

How do you figure?! lmao

The last sentence is more of common sense, but I threw it out so the dumber people would realize there is a point where the line is drawn. Think a little bud.

[Docd187123]

How do you figure?! lmao

The last sentence is more of common sense, but I threw it out so the dumber people would realize there is a point where the line is drawn. Think a little bud.

Then why the original statement lol?

[Steve.O]

Doc is a very knowledgeable man and wud have liked his opinion on the subject. Cheers live for pump for ya reply, nice to know folk are on the same page as me. Understood ya post pal and ye was common sense

[Docd187123]

Doc is a very knowledgeable man and wud have liked his opinion on the subject. Cheers live for pump for ya reply, nice to know folk are on the same page as me. Understood ya post pal and ye was common sense

In reality if mass is your goal then I'd say yes, after several cycles you should be over 200lbs unless you're extremely short. Scale weight does matter to some extent bc a percentage of that scale weight is lbm and the rest is fat mass. I understood what Pump was trying to say but it's his wording that got me lol. I saw there should be a minimum weight bc you should have at least several years of consistent training under your belt before beginning gear. If you haven't gained weight without gear (if size/'mass is the goal) then there's no reason to use the gear in the first place...you'd lack the fundamentals. An averaged height male shouldn't have issues getting to those levels with or without gear with a decent body comp.

The other side of the argument in my mind is alternative goals. I'm a strength athlete not a size one. I don't care what my weight is so long as the lifts keep going up. I'm on my second cycle now a hair under 200lbs at 5'10". But again mass and body comp aren't my goals so weight is irrelevant to me unless it's preventing me from getting stronger.

[Steve.O]

I appreciate and respect wat your sayin. And i agree to a certain extent. But wouldnt and ectomorph hav to train longer maybe even harder to b at say the same weight as a mesomoph. For eg. An advanced ecto wud train hard t get t 200lb and a meso wud train exactly the same and get to 220. Also naturally startin weight is normally simular

[Docd187123]

I appreciate and respect wat your sayin. And i agree to a certain extent. But wouldnt and ectomorph hav to train longer maybe even harder to b at say the same weight as a mesomoph. For eg. An advanced ecto wud train hard t get t 200lb and a meso wud train exactly the same and get to 220. Also naturally startin weight is normally simular

Somatotyping is a fallacy If you don't believe me look up it's history and founder William Herbert Sheldon. Not only do I see several things wrong with it but all it creates is an avenue to make excuses. If your goals are important enough to use gear in order to achieve and expose yourself to the numerous health risks, then they should also be important enough to eat as much or as little as it takes to accomplish them and to set a foundation from which to hop over to AAS. Personally I do not ever use those terms (ecto, meso, and whatever the third one is) and hate reading them. It's a pet peeve of mine and I don't want to derail your thread.

If you want to get from point A to B then at the end of the day all that matters is you making it to B. Whatever name you want to classify yourself as, the amount of difficulty it took to get there, how your genes are dead against you, etc matters not a damn bit. You either made it or you didn't.

I ask you to think for yourself, by figuring out which classification you are, how has that helped you in your training, diet, or progressing to your goals? All you know now is that you may have to work slightly harder, slightly less, or just the same as your neighbor and all it's told me about you is that you've made an excuse as to why you're not closer to your goals today than you were yesterday...

[kelkel]

Somatotyping is a fallacy If you don't believe me look up it's history and founder William Herbert Sheldon. Not only do I see several things wrong with it but all it creates is an avenue to make excuses. If your goals are important enough to use gear in order to achieve and expose yourself to the numerous health risks, then they should also be important enough to eat as much or as little as it takes to accomplish them and to set a foundation from which to hop over to AAS. Personally I do not ever use those terms (ecto, meso, and whatever the third one is) and hate reading them. It's a pet peeve of mine and I don't want to derail your thread.

If you want to get from point A to B then at the end of the day all that matters is you making it to B. Whatever name you want to classify yourself as, the amount of difficulty it took to get there, how your genes are dead against you, etc matters not a damn bit. You either made it or you didn't.

I ask you to think for yourself, by figuring out which classification you are, how has that helped you in your training, diet, or progressing to your goals? All you know now is that you may have to work slightly harder, slightly less, or just the same as your neighbor and all it's told me about you is that you've made an excuse as to why you're not closer to your goals today than you were yesterday...

I'll throw the term ecto out every now and then but only as it relates to body type, not potential for gaining, etc.

Third one: Endo. Endo. Endo. Endo. Endo. Endo. (just so you remember it doc)

[Docd187123]

Repeat after me: ENDO...ENNNDDOO...ENDO

[Matt007]

The question still remains in my eyes, not hard to get up to 200+pounds, but at what bf we talking here, are we talking offseason with higher bf or contest ready shape?

[Buster Brown]

I would take the whole weight thing with a grain of salt. If you gain a solid 3 to 4 pounds on cycle of lbm and 15 pounds of water and fat then you have accomplished tipping the scales at 200 if you in the 180's. I think it's much more important to diet off that added flub without losing the 3-4 quality pounds you may have gained in cycle. Do not live and die by the scale!

[RangerDanger830]

I would take the whole weight thing with a grain of salt. If you gain a solid 3 to 4 pounds on cycle of lbm and 15 pounds of water and fat then you have accomplished tipping the scales at 200 if you in the 180's. I think it's much more important to diet off that added flub without losing the 3-4 quality pounds you may have gained in cycle. Do not live and die by the scale!

I agree, I used to obsess over the scale. Once I started getting bigger and leaner I started realizing how much 5lbs of muscle makes a difference. I hardly see the point in weighing anymore other than TDEE. I check in from time to time to make sure nothing drastic is going wrong but other than that I spend more time in the mirror these days as superficial as that sounds.

[Cuz]

Ill take the Mirror over scale.

[kronik420]

Loada sh1t and quite frankly is insulting. Guys who go on about diet and training sayin your doing something wrong if uve run 5 cycles in the last 3 years for example. Wtf? How is that? Many guys do it and IMO utter garbage. Every1s different size and shape, some of us have more naturally muscular physique than others. Ive lifted for 7years consistently. Run 5-6 cycles and stil under 200lb. BUT! Im a ectomorph, smal frame and bones. My best pal who is naturally bigger than me and weighs 2 stone heavier and stands at the same height as me. Doesnt look as muscular as me.Ya cant always judge a persons progress jus by weight. Jus pisses me of a bit. Whats you guys opinion? Thnx Steve.o

Stats:
5ft9.5
191Lbs
Age: 28
Bodyfat: 11 or 12%
Cycles: 5/6

so if someones 6'2 and 150 lbs, he's problem must be a lack of steroids yea?

[Euroholic]

Franco columbo and frank zane ring a bell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Honkey_Kong]

Steve, people that tell guys they are underweight due to the amount of cycles they have done are ignorant. Weight on a scale doesn't mean shit. What matters is how you look. So many factors go into weight; height, age, bone size, etc, etc.

Now if a guy is over 6 feet tall and under 200 with multiple cycles then there is an obvious problem.

I'll ignore your second paragraph there and say, weight absolutely matters. I'll grant you that weight is not the only factor, measurements, bodyfat percentages, performance are other markers as well. But here is the thing, if you're going by how you look in the mirror, you're never going to be able to tell if you're making progress or not. Progress comes at a slow pace that you wont look noticeably different today than tomorrow. So that being said, let's fast forward a month from now, you're not going to remember what you looked like today to compare yourself to and determine if you're going in the right direction. You've been looking at yourself in the mirror every day changing so subtly that you don't notice it (not to mention a month isn't going to make too much noticeable change anyways).

Now most people make adjustments to that 200lb marker due to the height and skeletal shape of the person. It's really just a ballpark figure.

[DAAS]

If you've run 10 cycles are 6'5" and weigh 170lbs, but you feel good and are happy then fvck it. Just do blood work and stay healthy. Dont let numbers or statements from others rule your life. Do whatever the fvck you wanna do! JUST stay healthy. Keep a healthy heart kidneys and liver. Thats my 2 cents.

[qscgugcsq]

If you've run 10 cycles are 6'5" and weigh 170lbs, but you feel good and are happy then fvck it. Just do blood work and stay healthy. Dont let numbers or statements from others rule your life. Do whatever the fvck you wanna do! JUST stay healthy. Keep a healthy heart kidneys and liver. Thats my 2 cents.

I Would like that one if I werent on my phone.

[Docd187123]

If you've run 10 cycles are 6'5" and weigh 170lbs, but you feel good and are happy then fvck it. Just do blood work and stay healthy. Dont let numbers or statements from others rule your life. Do whatever the fvck you wanna do! JUST stay healthy. Keep a healthy heart kidneys and liver. Thats my 2 cents.

The topic isn't whether or not someone is happy with their physique. It's more about building a a foundation before using steroids and using them intelligently.

Explain to me how a 6'5" individual weighing 170lbs benefits from steroids over natural training when taking into account the risks involved? I mean holy shit, 10 cycles for this person to get to up to a weight some anorexics are happy at? Let's use logical thinking here....

^^^and that's not dismissing anyone's progress or faulting them for their goals.