Clomid instead of Arimidex during cycle

[razman]

I'm going to start my first AAS cycle very soon. Since I am relatively lightweight (5'8" and 145 lbs; 14% bf), I plan on only taking 250 mg/wk of test E for about 8 weeks.

Now I am debating what ancillaries I should take during my cycle. I have read the "My First Cycle: Planning and Executing..." sticky on this site as well as another great beginner's guide called “The Complete Idiots Guide to Anabolic Steroids" and have learned about Arimidex, Clomid, and Nolvadex. It seems to me that most people use Arimidex during their cycle to inhibit the conversion of test into estrogen, and then use Clomid/Nolvadex as PCT to promote natural testosterone production.

However, the Idiot's Guide to AAS mentions in passing that Clomid/Nolvadex can be used during a cycle as well. It even appears to tout some wonderful properties of Clomid: "Clomid acts appropriately in the tissues we'd like to minimize bad side effects and maximize good effects in, and it is useful in stimulating natural testosterone production when a cycle is done." Seems like a win-win ancillary.

Has anyone used Clomid and/or Nolvadex during a cycle instead of Arimidex to combat aromatization of test and if so how well did it work?
Should I take Arimidex in addition to Clomid? I.e., is Arimidex a "must have" or is otherwise superior to Clomid/Nolvadex?

Keep in mind that I will only be taking 250mg/week of test with no other AAS stacked.

Thanks.

[Docd187123]

Clomid and nolva will block or simulate the effects of estrogen in various tissues but will do nothing to lower circulating estrogen.

[Juced_porkchop]

I'm going to start my first AAS cycle very soon. Since I am relatively lightweight (5'8" and 145 lbs; 14% bf), I plan on only taking 250 mg/wk of test E for about 8 weeks.

Now I am debating what ancillaries I should take during my cycle. I have read the "My First Cycle: Planning and Executing..." sticky on this site as well as another great beginner's guide called “The Complete Idiots Guide to Anabolic Steroids" and have learned about Arimidex, Clomid, and Nolvadex. It seems to me that most people use Arimidex during their cycle to inhibit the conversion of test into estrogen, and then use Clomid/Nolvadex as PCT to promote natural testosterone production.

However, the Idiot's Guide to AAS mentions in passing that Clomid/Nolvadex can be used during a cycle as well. It even appears to tout some wonderful properties of Clomid: "Clomid acts appropriately in the tissues we'd like to minimize bad side effects and maximize good effects in, and it is useful in stimulating natural testosterone production when a cycle is done." Seems like a win-win ancillary.

Has anyone used Clomid and/or Nolvadex during a cycle instead of Arimidex to combat aromatization of test and if so how well did it work?
Should I take Arimidex in addition to Clomid? I.e., is Arimidex a "must have" or is otherwise superior to Clomid/Nolvadex?

Keep in mind that I will only be taking 250mg/week of test with no other AAS stacked.

Thanks.

You need to research your compounds for a while longer and learn what you are doing. there are many things wrong with what you are thinking of doing. you need to research but ill tell you what it should somewhat go like:

*An AI is not a SERM, (SERM is clomid and tamox)
*You should run an AI on cycle and i rec letro or dex from arr
*You should not bother with less then 12-14 week long cycles
*250mg ew is just over sort of hrt and i would not bother, when ready aim for 400-600mg ew IMO
*I rec a clomid and tamox combo PCT

[MuscleInk]

As shared above, an AI should be used to inhibit aromatization of testosterone to estrogen. Clomid has both estrogenic and anti-estrogenic properties and will not reduce the turnover of testosterone to estrogen (only the translocation to receptor domains). Managing serum concentrations through anti-aromatase activity is the protocol to follow during your cycle.

[razman]

Clomid and nolva will block or simulate the effects of estrogen in various tissues but will do nothing to lower circulating estrogen.

Thanks. Yes, Clomid and nolva are SERMs and do not lower the level of circulating estrogen since it does not prevent testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen. However, if it blocks the effects of estrogen in various tissues we care about (e.g., breast) then effectively isn't it treating the problem caused by too much estrogen even if it is merely masking the problem?

[MuscleInk]

Thanks. Yes, Clomid and nolva are SERMs and do not lower the level of circulating estrogen since it does not prevent testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen. However, if it blocks the effects of estrogen in various tissues we care about (e.g., breast) then effectively isn't it treating the problem caused by too much estrogen even if it is merely masking the problem?

The risks of elevated serum estrogen far transcend concerns around gynecomastia. Uncontrolled estrogen in men increases risk for type 2 diabetes (T2DM), stroke, metabolic syndromes, blood disorders, immunosuppression, impaired wound healing, rheumatoid arthritis and more. A SERM is inappropriate during your cycle.

[Back In Black]

5'8 and 145lbs? You need to put down the steroids and pick up a fork. Hit up our nutrition forum buddy and get some sage advice over there.

[Wizwell]

Great answers by all with a little humor sprinkled in. Well done!

[razman]

The risks of elevated serum estrogen far transcend concerns around gynecomastia. Uncontrolled estrogen in men increases risk for type 2 diabetes (T2DM), stroke, metabolic syndromes, blood disorders, immunosuppression, impaired wound healing, rheumatoid arthritis and more. A SERM is inappropriate during your cycle.

This goes without saying but that's damn good to know. Thanks.

[razman]

5'8 and 145lbs? You need to put down the steroids and pick up a fork. Hit up our nutrition forum buddy and get some sage advice over there.

Haha, I appreciate the advice. While I'm pretty intent on trying a cycle anyway, I will be sure to learn as much as I can about eating properly too so I can make the most out of this experience.

[razman]

5'8 and 145lbs? You need to put down the steroids and pick up a fork. Hit up our nutrition forum buddy and get some sage advice over there.

Alright, I can't believe I'm doing this considering the time and money I spent acquiring my gear but I've decided to heed your and others' advice on this forum and am going to throw this stuff in a drawer. Let's see how much muscle I can gain following a strict bulking diet and training alone in three months.

[lovbyts]

5'8 and 145lbs? You need to put down the steroids and pick up a fork. Hit up our nutrition forum buddy and get some sage advice over there.

Thank you. Its about time someone noticed that. Forget learning about aas, ai or pct. Concentrate learning about diet for the next couple of years

[tice1212]

Alright, I can't believe I'm doing this considering the time and money I spent acquiring my gear but I've decided to heed your and others' advice on this forum and am going to throw this stuff in a drawer. Let's see how much muscle I can gain following a strict bulking diet and training alone in three months.

Great decision on keeping the AAS out ..... If u were to train, eat and sleep the right way their is no reason why u couldn't gain 10lbs in 3 months....here is the best way to get ur diet in check.....Follow Instruction:
1. Find out you're TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) (Calculator Link Below)
2. Use the Harris-Benedict Formula
3. For u I would add 400-500 Calories from you're TDEE number.
4. Every month I want u to re-calculate ur TDEE numbers and adjust if needed.
Hope this helps. the TDEE calculator link is below...
TDEE Calculator

[makinggains2014]

good info here thanks guys