Brand question..

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 09:22 AM

ive been doing some research and decided I was gunna try gen-shi test e but right before I ordered I got reading a thread on another forum about how gen-shi is all underdosed and not worth the money. now im back to square one. im not asking for a source I was just wondering if somebody can name some good brands to try for my first cycle. thanks

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 09:27 AM

when it says..
Substance: Testosterone Enanthate
Pack: 5 ml amp (250 mg/ml)
does that mean theres 5 doses of 250 mg per vile?

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 09:37 AM

^^^ yuuuuuuuup ... 250mg of test per ml

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 09:53 AM

so if I use 250 mg twice a week, I would need 2 viles a week? then to get enough for a 12 week cycle I would need to get alot of those viles? is the rest of the vile just oil? since theres only 250 mg of actual test?

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 10:05 AM

oh dear... i question you even running a cycle if you need help with this simple math... obviously, you have never run a cycle before...how old are you?

**Bert** · 04-19-2014, 10:22 AM

I would suggest not using that brand.

**tren_monster** · 04-19-2014, 10:32 AM

Substance: test E 10ml 250mg/ml There's 10 total ml in one vial. Each ml has 250mg of the substance in it. The total mg per vial is 2500mg. Seriously dude if you don't know the basics then you don't need to cycle. bviously you have 5ml vials but I'm using 10 for the example hoping you can multiply by 10 easier.

As for the brand. I ran Genshi a few years ago and It was top notch. Ran bloods 4 weeks in and registered at 4000NG/DL

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 11:13 AM

haha ask for a little help understanding the label and everybody turns into an asshole.

**tren_monster** · 04-19-2014, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by bjn6802

haha ask for a little help understanding the label and everybody turns into an asshole.

No ones been an asshole but how can you expect anything less than that when you come on here with no clue as to how to read a vial label? That's prob the most basic thing about cycling.

**clarky.** · 04-19-2014, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by bjn6802

so if I use 250 mg twice a week, I would need 2 viles a week? then to get enough for a 12 week cycle I would need to get alot of those viles? is the rest of the vile just oil? since theres only 250 mg of actual test?

They will be amps mate not vials so yes like you said if you were running 500mg wk then you would use 2 amps a wk 1 for each pin.

So for your 12wk cycle you will need 24amps and some as spare in case you broke some or sh*t like that

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by bjn6802

haha ask for a little help understanding the label and everybody turns into an asshole.

nah buddy, not meaning to be an ass...not understanding a label is one thing and we will let you slide once... obviously not knowing anything about pinning days and how to do the simple math before you buy a product, you are going to catch shit about...it proves you have done little to no research and know absolutely nothing about what you are doing and could end up doing damage to yourself...we dont want that... you need to expect people to turn you away from starting roids since you are obviously too young... nobody wants to be any part of a young guy doing unnecessary damage to their body... just looking out for you, thats all

also, if all you can come up with is 5ml amp gen-shi test, you arent looking near hard enough

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by clarky.

They will be amps mate not vials so yes like you said if you were running 500mg wk then you would use 2 amps a wk 1 for each pin.

So for your 12wk cycle you will need 24amps and some as spare in case you broke some or sh*t like that

he should pin every 3 days... he will need 6 of the 5ml amp bottles for 12wk cycle

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 03:12 PM

unrealone, ive decided against the genshi but my source only has 3 different brands. genshi, roidplus and Oxydine Metabolics. which one is the best of the three? and im 28 years old, not very young after all, just totally new to this. when I said twice a week I was just going by the beginner cycle thread I read on this forum.

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 03:34 PM

i have no experience with any of those except gen shi and dont let the fact that they come in 5ml amps instead of 10ml amps discourage you from choosing that brand... hopefully some guys respond to your thread in the brand/ugl section about the other 2... good luck and please do some more solid research before getting started...

have you researched pct?...post cycle therapy ... you will need to start pct 2 weeks after your last test e pinning... nolvadex or clomid (jprefferably both) is the standard for kicking your natural test back into gear

have you done any research on products you might need if you develop gynecomastia (man boobs)?

you have an idea of what kind of diet is necessary for optimizing your test during this bulk?

spend some time and read a ton of threads here and get a solid grasp of what you will need before juming into it all... goodluck

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 05:17 PM

I don't care about the size I just heard from a few members on here that gen shi is underdosed. One actually told me to stay away from it all together.
As far as pct I plan on using clomid and nolvadex . During the cycle in addition to test e I plan on using hCG and arimidex . That should take care of the gynecomastia . Am I right in that assumption?

**Bio-Active** · 04-19-2014, 05:19 PM

look in the discussion of brands section

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 05:20 PM

yea I have and some say its great and some say its underdosed, I don't know what to believe. if somebody could take me under there wing so to speak and get me started I would really appreciate it.

**bjn6802** · 04-19-2014, 05:23 PM

unrealone sorry I was kinda rude earlier. Now I understand how to read the label and I feel like a dumbass haha

**Bio-Active** · 04-19-2014, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by bjn6802

yea I have and some say its great and some say its underdosed, I don't know what to believe. if somebody could take me under there wing so to speak and get me started I would really appreciate it.

That is not what this board is about. We discuss how to safely use these compounds

**Black** · 04-19-2014, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

oh dear... i question you even running a cycle if you need help with this simple math... obviously, you have never run a cycle before...how old are you?

Originally Posted by Unrealone

he should pin every 3 days... he will need 6 of the 5ml amp bottles for 12wk cycle

Originally Posted by Unrealone

i have no experience with any of those except gen shi and dont let the fact that they come in 5ml amps instead of 10ml amps discourage you from choosing that brand... hopefully some guys respond to your thread in the brand/ugl section about the other 2... good luck and please do some more solid research before getting started...

have you researched pct?...post cycle therapy ... you will need to start pct 2 weeks after your last test e pinning... nolvadex or clomid (jprefferably both) is the standard for kicking your natural test back into gear

have you done any research on products you might need if you develop gynecomastia (man boobs)?

you have an idea of what kind of diet is necessary for optimizing your test during this bulk?

spend some time and read a ton of threads here and get a solid grasp of what you will need before juming into it all... goodluck

Simple math is one thing, but what about determining the difference between and ampoule and a multi-dose vial?

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by bjn6802

unrealone sorry I was kinda rude earlier. Now I understand how to read the label and I feel like a dumbass haha

all good... guys here will usually go all around a question in order to get more info...it will come off dickish, but everyone is really trying to help...much easier for everyone to give better advice if they know a little more about you (age/wt/cycle history . etc)

glad you got your other cycle stuff in check...it can often be overlooked until its too late...

fwiw, ive never run hcg with a 12-16wk test e only cycle (even with dbol 1st 4weeks)... i actually dont know that many that do or have and consider it unnecessary ... i waited until i added other compounds... so IF its hard to get, i would suggest using what you have on another cycle when you stack more compounds .. if its easy to get, have at it.

**Bio-Active** · 04-19-2014, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

all good... guys here will usually go all around a question in order to get more info...it will come off dickish, but everyone is really trying to help...much easier for everyone to give better advice if they know a little more about you (age/wt/cycle history . etc)

glad you got your other cycle stuff in check...it can often be overlooked until its too late...

fwiw, ive never run hcg with a 12-16wk test e only cycle (even with dbol 1st 4weeks)... i actually dont know that many that do or have and consider it unnecessary ... i waited until i added other compounds... so IF its hard to get, i would suggest using what you have on another cycle when you stack more compounds .. if its easy to get, have at it.

For most of us here hcg is a staple in ever cycle. I would never suggest running a cycle with out it.

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

Simple math is one thing, but what about determining the difference between and ampoule and a multi-dose vial?

not sure i follow... he wants to pin 250mg 2x a week... its elementary math

**Unrealone** · 04-19-2014, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

For most of us here hcg is a staple in ever cycle. I would never suggest running a cycle with out it.

well, i wasnt telling him not to run it... but with just a test cycle, he isnt in much, if any, danger if we are being realistic... he could run it the last 2-3 weeks of his cycle and be fine too. imo

**Bio-Active** · 04-19-2014, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Unrealone

well, i wasnt telling him not to run it... but with just a test cycle, he isnt in much, if any, danger if we are being realistic... he could run it the last 2-3 weeks of his cycle and be fine too. imo

Being shut down is being shut down regardless of the compounds you run. sure he could run without it but recovery will be much better if he runs hcg to maintain some testicular function.