n00b PIP Pain & Swelling Question

[BadDevlin]

Hey guys

Pinned my first shot of 250mg/ml test e Friday and got some pretty bad PIP pain and swelling.

It ended up being about 1.25ml, pulled a little bit extra from the vial and was just kind of like, meh **** it it's my first pin so whatever if it's .25 over...Proceeded to pin the upper-outer quadrant of my right glute. There was no initial pain however at one point I inserted the entire length of a 1.5" syringe and felt something kind of weird so I pulled about .5" out. I was nervous and shaky, moved the needle around probably way too much, and even kind of stumbled at one point and put my body weight on my right leg while the syringe was still in my glute. That day there was virtually no pain of any sort and the next morning when I went to the gym I felt fine...

However, by the end of that day, I was in a considerable amount of pain and limping to the point where I had to tell my girlfriend I pulled a muscle at the gym. That is actually exactly what it felt like, like I pulled a muscle and had trouble putting any weight on it, getting in and out of cars or sitting down was a real bitch. The 2nd day (yesterday) there was noticeable swelling and still a great deal of pain, I also had deadlifts yesterday so I'm sure that didn't help any.

Today (day 3 after I pinned) the swelling is going down and the pain is subsiding. There is no heat around the site, no pitting edema, it may be a little red but I've been massaging it a lot so that could be why. I understand this could be from high BA content in UGL gear but I've been following a thread from someone pinning the same gear and having no issues at all.

Is it possible this could just be tissue inflammation from the slightly higher volume of gear I injected and also being a total ****in' n00b and being all sloppy with the needle? I'm thinking I could have done some tissue damage. Pretty sure in my nervousness I forgot to push air out of the needle and got a tiny air bubble as well, although I did remember to aspirate and make sure I wasn't in a blood vessel. I hope it's not from the BA because I'm going to be pinning for the 2nd time today and hoping I don't get the same problem, my girl is going to start thinking I'm inuring myself at the gym or something.

[RangerDanger830]

The only piece of information I saw you leave out was your needle size and sterilization technique. First of all I will say that what you are experiencing is normal and, from what you are telling me, is no need for concern. If you are using an 18g needle then definitely go smaller.

You did seem to use terrible technique, but we all do at one time or another. First off, unless you aspirate and see blood, do not pull the needle back out until you are done. That is just more tissue the edge of that needle is tearing up. As far as the bubble goes you are okay there too. It takes quite a bit of air to cause problems, a little bubble is not a big deal. I always leave a tiny bubble in my IM injections so that when the plunger is depressed fully all of the liquid has cleared the needle. I am a stickler for the tiny things though.

You need to rub yourself down with an alcohol pad first in case you didn't that will prevent infection. I do not think you got infected though, just poor technique. I think back to my first few cycles and I am still using the same gear I was then but I have no PIP now. I have had PIP maybe two times in the last 3-4 cycles. I think it is something your body either gets used to or you perfect your technique. I do remember my first cycle or two felt very similar to yours.

I have always suspected, but not yet researched, that your body has the ability to adapt to exogenous substances in such a way that will cause it to stop becoming inflammed upon injection. Just a theory here but it seems now that even if I use poor technique due to clen or whathaveyou I still don't get PIP, maybe my immune system categorized my compounds as harmless and stopped reacting to them thus decreasing PIP? Just an idea there.

All in all, just pay attention to keeping the needle steady. The volume of liquid you have injected has nothing to do with it as it is very low. I had some very watered down deca one time and after adding test in there I was injection a few times more than the volume you did with no issues. You probably did do tissue damage, technically very time you stick a needle in there you do damage. After a few hundred pins on my body though, some with poor technique and some with good technique, I would say a few bad pins isn't going to noticeably affect you in a bad way.