T3 female dosage/cycle

[Lisame24]

About to start T3 again, I have done it before and just took 25mcg daily but didn't really get much out of it, I had a blood test shortly after and my thyroid was fine. This time I want to go harder so I can get more out of it but I hear so many different things.

A guy I know said hes currently taking 100mcg daily and his thyroid has prob shut down but he says it doesn't matter whilst he's taking the T3 and it will come back??

Other people say you can permanently f**k your thyroid up??

Is tapering worth while? Up or down or both?

BTW I am on var so I am not too worried of the muscle burning factor.

Hope I can get advice on my cycle and dosage etc as I am starting this tomorrow and would like to do it the best way I can?

Thanks

[4linked]

Austinite has a stickie about t3 and how to use it. Very informative. I would start out at 50 mcg no need to taper. 25 is what your body already makes

[RangerDanger830]

Here is the sticky linked is talking about, I have never touched T3 myself. Don't care much for it.

http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...how-works.html

[Matt007]

Why dont u just relie on your diet instesd of t3, clen, ect stack ect ect u have been taking?
Like any drug and roids u got to give your body a break at some point or the shit becomes useless or u just to have to add more and more to get the same effect like any drug

[Lisame24]

Thanks, I'll check that link out.

So you don't think 50mcg will shut my thyroid down or anything?

My diet is good and even though I lift heavy and eat a lot of protein I have found it difficult to build muscle without var but whilst I am taking it I do want to shift fat as well. Before this cycle I had a good long break along with blood tests to check out my health. I need a break from clen which is why I am going to give T3 another go as haven't used it since last year

[Matt007]

Post up your diet lisa might get a better idea then
And your current stats as well weight, height ect
Not saying your diet is not on track, but a lot of people think there diet is spoton, meanwhile its legging big time hindering there goals

[XxAndreaxX]

Thanks, I'll check that link out.

So you don't think 50mcg will shut my thyroid down or anything?

My diet is good and even though I lift heavy and eat a lot of protein I have found it difficult to build muscle without var but whilst I am taking it I do want to shift fat as well. Before this cycle I had a good long break along with blood tests to check out my health. I need a break from clen which is why I am going to give T3 another go as haven't used it since last year

T3 will shut you down. that's why you felt nothing on 25mcg. if your body produces around 25mcg and you take 25, you will replace your own with the pills. so with 50mcg, you'll actually have only 25mcg more.
but don't panic, your thyroids will come back very fast.

[Lisame24]

Do you think mcg is a good dosage or will more be better? I just want to get the right balance

[Lisame24]

sorry, supposed to say 50mcg (numlock was off, oops)

[Lisame24]

My macros are as follows:
Training day: 220g protein, 120g carbs, 50g fats
Non training day: 220g protein, 80g carbs, 70g fats.
Protein sources, egg whites, chicken, turkey, tuna, white fish, extra lean steak mince
Carb sources, Rice, sweet potato, oats
Fats, Salmon, avocado, nuts
I have my meals with either salad or green veg. I spread meals out every few hours. I consume the majority of my carbs around my workout, some before but most after.

My Stats are 5'6", I weigh more that I ever have before, I am weighing in at 62kg today I did put a few pics up on my previous question

[Matt007]

Post some pics up lisa, have u tried cycling your carbs?
Seems like the same carb intake I am set on , on my cut
150/100/50/150/100/50/ refeed 50/100/150/50/100/0/ refeed
Keep your body guessing, I would suggest keeping your fats the same 50g, dont adjust fats to fill in the carbs when depleting your carbs, protein should stay the same too, keep it simple

[Matt007]

If u have been dieting awhile now with low carbs your metabolism is slowly starting to slow down causing u to stall, carb cycling works wonders also refeeds once a week as well for cranking up your metabolism and turning your body into a furnace

[NEFLRick]

I'm about to start a T3 cycle so I don't know this for sure but, after reading Austinite's awesome writeup about it, you need to know T3 will eat muscle, it doesn't care. So you need to do something else in order to not lose muscle--I'm bumping my test up. So, if you're also trying to gain muscle, it's probably not gonna happen on T3.

[Matt007]

Its hard to gain muscle on a caloric deficit anyways, your may concern will be trying to preserve as much muscle as possible on a cut bro

[Matt007]

Post some pics up lisa, want to see where u stand

[Matt007]

Diet is everything, I think clen, t3, eca stack stuff like that people want miracles to happen
Ofcourse they are a great addition, but they are a great addition when u are trying to loose the last few pounds of stubborn fat, a proper diet will get u down to a low bf u %
Remember to calculate your tdee once a week, make it a sunday, and make adjustments to your diet plan, I think in lisa's case her metabolism has come to a hault or stall, in order to trick the body due to a low carb diet for along time cycling your carbs tricks your body and also keeps it guessing causing it to jack your metabolism back up and burning more fat

[Lisame24]

[Lisame24]

Sorry, I have only just logged on. The first 2 pics were from the summer, I was smaller then with less muscle. The yellow top one about a month ago, then the other 3 were this week, I think I can see I am developing more muscle.

I do want to use the T3 alongside my var, good training and diet. I just would like to know the best dosage for the T3. Last time 25mcg, although it made me feel hot, it didn't have any effects so I thought about starting at 37.5mcg and then increasing to 50mcg, would that high enough though or go higher? Also, I am aware of time scales for how long I should be on m var and clen but have heard many different opinions about T3?? HELP??

[Matt007]

Looking great lisa, how much more do u want to loose

[Lisame24]

I want to keep as much muscle as I can and shift about 6kg fat as I think I will looked pretty ripped then?
If I do it and I don't feel I have enough muscle then I will do it all over again after having a bit of a break, My dream bods are the paige hathaways and michelle lewins of the world, sooooo jealous

[David LoPan]

You look fantastic. Totally stunning. I just had to say that. I would not pay attention to what the number on the scale says but what you look like. I have found that a lot of women look better at a higher weight and being fit than a lower weight and not being in shape.

[Matt007]

Honestly try cycling your carbs, the last 10lbs of fat is always the hardest to loose anyways
But I can tell by your determination u will get there, as far as t3 goes never touched it so ill let somebody else chime in on that
U ever do refeeds lisa? On your low carb diet?

[David LoPan]

Look at the pics here. http://forums.steroid.com/nutrition-...men-women.html
I know your under 20% easy. See what they guys are saying about BF on women.

[Matt007]

I would figure another 8 to 10lbs for those abs to pop lisa

[raeford25]

I love this forum.... Just thought I would say that after seeing those pictures. And looking fantastic btw! Definitely making progress. Keep up the good work. And it seems to me, from what I've seen Matt post on other threads, he knows his stuff. Good luck.

[Bert]

Wow, what great progress!

[Lisame24]

Thanks everyone. No I don't ever have a refeed day, how often would I do this and how much would I increase my carbs by? Would the other macros stay the same?
I haven't managed to find an answer for the T3 so I have started, higher than before, I am taking 37.5mcg (not quite sure how long for yet) then shall move on to 50mcg and see how that goes (again I am not sure how long for), I have tried looking online but so much info that contradicts others so a bit clueless right now! If anyone has any advice though of improvements to this then please say?

[Lisame24]

Just read AUSTINITES info on T3, with the doses stating to start at 50mcg, is this applicable to anyone or are these doses for men? I just don't want to waste my tablets by going too low but also don't want to damage myself by going too high?

[Matt007]

What u want to do is crank up the metabolism even more, exspecially since u been on a low carb diet for quite sometime, after awhile your body gets use to it, and thus metabolism starts to slow down, with carb cycling or 1 refeed per week u are going to keep your body thinking like "wtf", creating your metabolism to crank up like a fat burning furnace
U wanna crank up the metabooism again as I think u came to a hault and what a purpose ofa refeed or carb cycling will do wonders for u
If u are taking in 120g carbs ed I would make it once a week to do a refeed, push your refeed up to 300g carbs in a day, keep your fats low around 40g and protein the same and carb up that day, usually I make my high carb day (refeed) sunday after measurement and weigh in and eat up lol, everyone is dif when it comes to refeeds tho, some people like to do a refeed on back day or leg day but myself I do my refeed the day before the start of next week that way I got the whole day to rest and eat up lol
The next few days u hop on the scale u will be like wtf I weigh more, trust me its all bloat and retention, itll go away within a few days, u will start to equal out on the scale of your weigh in a few day, then come sunday when u weigh in youll I almost guarntee u u will drop bf lisa

[Matt007]

The purpose of a refeed is to replenish glycogen stores and to keep you from falling to the floor, and also to keep your body from adjusting to a low-carb diet. Refeed days are generally once or twice a week.
U will look a lot fuller after your refeed lol, in a good way
U will have your best workout after your refeed day quarnteed, will give u enough energy to last u throughout the week with a low carb diet

[Lisame24]

Ok, I'll give it a go, I think i'll be looking forward to that day of the week! I LOVE carbs but do always feel a bit guilty after eating them!

Ah, yes, that would have been good, damn distance from England to US lol.

Matt, I am struggling to find answers about the T3, any idea where I can get an answer or who I could ask? I get that we produce 25mcg of T3 ourselves but if we took a 25mcg tab would we defintely shut ourselves down so still only be getting 25mcg or may we not shut ourselves down and be getting 50mcg? I just can't seem to be able to find out what to do regarding this? Thanks for all your help btw. ARGH, it's leg day!!!

[Matt007]

Lol, everyone does including myself, its only mind shit anyways, plays a big part in cranking up your metabolism on a low carb diet, as long as u get back on track the next day youll feel great, and wont want to eat like that for another week, look at it as a "treat" or reward
Lol uwoukdnt want to know what I through down on my refeed day lmao, a large pizza, jelly beans, some chocolate, and feel bloated as hell, then get back to my strict diet for the week, not telling u to eat like that but myself by next week I loose approx 1/2"off my waist line 1% bf per week aroubd 2-3lbs a week, on my 11 weekon my cut, got another 5 weeks to go
Lost a total of 30lbsin 10 weeks, no t3, no clen ect, just my cruise dose test c at 200mg/week
Try the refeed lisa, make it sunday after u weigh in and take measurements then chow down, thatll give u enough energy to get through the week with a low carb diet and benifit u in the long run

[Matt007]

Curious, how much of a deficit are u in

[Lisame24]

This sounds fun, pizza plus sweets equals fat loss, I could like that kind of diet!
I'm on around 1800cals at the mo, I was on 2500cals when I started my var cycle.
30lbs, thats great, my weight is kind of hovering a bit atm, I have lost a bit though
I think another problem of mine is lack of sleep (I say whilst typing away at 1.36am), I usually go to sleep around 2am and then get up to get my daughters ready for school at 7am. I should really get to bed earlier, could this be holding me back?

[Matt007]

Yes u need your sleep lisa, miracles happen at rest lol, try for atleast 8 hours of rest, u grow at rest
Not saying follow my approach to refeeds lol, but see what works for u on your refeed day, just make sure u still track what u consume, klike I said keep protein the same, fats low, carbs high, i would set carbs at 300g on refeed day, and see how u far out next week on measurement day, make adjustments if needed next refeed buta refeed shoukd do u wonders and something to look forward to dieting down

[michael30]

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[Matt007]

Try these if u dont already have them on your comp, great tools for figuring out your tdee and tracking your body fat %
Google linear body fat calculator or linear software
Google iifym calculator

[Matt007]

If u need any help just pm me anytime lisa

[Docd187123]

Thanks everyone. No I don't ever have a refeed day, how often would I do this and how much would I increase my carbs by? Would the other macros stay the same?
I haven't managed to find an answer for the T3 so I have started, higher than before, I am taking 37.5mcg (not quite sure how long for yet) then shall move on to 50mcg and see how that goes (again I am not sure how long for), I have tried looking online but so much info that contradicts others so a bit clueless right now! If anyone has any advice though of improvements to this then please say?

A refeed is a structured method of replenishing lost glycogen stores if doing low carb type diets and also to prevent down regulation of metabolic hormones such as leptin, ghrelin, thyroid hormones, etc. Dieting down produces a response from the body to counteract fat loss. As you get leaner the body will fight back harder which is why overweight individuals don't need refeeds as often as leaner individuals.

Judging by your current state, I'd say a refeed anywhere from 7-10days is fine and you want to do that by increasing calories to maintenance for that particular refeed day or slightly higher than maintenance, keep protein intake pretty much the same but drop fats to minimum needs and eat at 125-150g carbs of more. Carbs are what counter the physiological response to dieting so you want to increase the carbs on refeed days.

Just read AUSTINITES info on T3, with the doses stating to start at 50mcg, is this applicable to anyone or are these doses for men? I just don't want to waste my tablets by going too low but also don't want to damage myself by going too high?

I believe Austin's method of figuring out a good dose is based on body weight so it should work for women but you want to make sure you're on some type of AAS to increase protein synthesis as the T3 promotes proteolysis (protein breakdown) over the synthesis.

[Matt007]

Goodluck on your refeed and enjoy it, the more u do refeeds the more will enjoy them and not feel guility, I use the iffym approach to refeeds, eat the things I dont eat during the week, stuff u crave at times, as long as u follow set macros for your refeeds and dont binge during the week youll find it benifits u not only physically but defently mentally