Test E/ Tren E/ EQ/ T3/ Winny/ Var

**junipoo** · 04-28-2014, 04:55 PM

So i did some research and this is going to be my first cutting cycle
i will be using the High Tren Low Test method since i react very well to it

Weeks 1-19 - Test E. 375mg
Weeks 1-12 - Tren E. 600mg
Weeks 1-12 - EQ 600mg
Weeks 5-12 - T3 (4 weeks at 75mcg, and other weeks tapering up and down)
Weeks 5-11 - Winny 50mg tabs - 50mg ED
Weeks 7/8 - Var 100mg ED
Weeks 1-21 - Aromasin 12.5mg

Week 20/21 - HCG 1,000iu E3D (4 days after last injection of HCG before PCT)

Weeks 22/23 - Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 40mg
Weeks 24/25 - Clomid 100mg/ Nolva 20mg
Weeks 26 - Clomid 50mg/ Nolva 20mg

T3 - I know a lot of people say it doesn't matter if you taper t3 and some say it puts more stress on the thyroid but i am going to try and taper and see for myself.

Winny 50mg - I have 50 Winny 50mg tabs and dont want to run into the joint issues i hear everyone gets when running winny too high for too long. so i figured running winny 7 weeks at a low 50mg should be fine. if i feel any joint problems i will stop the winny tabs.

Var - I have 15 tablets of 50mg Var left from a previous cycle. so i figure why not just throw it in there seeing as var is very mild.

Test E. - I will have to buy basically an extra vial of test just to do a 12 or 14 week cycle with Test E. so i didn't want to save a used vial of Test E so i figure why not just run my little higher than TRT dose of Test E. until i finish the vial, then start my HCG and PCT.

I also have 2 10mL Vials of Tren Ace that i received as a mistake when i ordered Tren E a while back. (Everything was worked out and got my original order and some bonus gear for the mistake). Just wondering anyones thoughts on Using the Tren Ace to kickstart my cycle since I'm using a long ester Tren E. This isn't something I'm really into doing unless someone has some good info for me

Would like to hear any Critiques or Advise. or possibly someone who has done this or similar cycles, since i know this is kind of a specific cycle.

**David LoPan** · 04-28-2014, 06:24 PM

How many cycles have you run before? Why so many compounds? What are your goals? That is a long time to run Tren . Do you plan on getting your blood tested pre, during and post cycle? Hcg should be run the whole cycle.

**Buster Brown** · 04-28-2014, 06:47 PM

Wow........ Cutting cycle for 16 weeks! Hmmmmmm. Well the var is a waste. EQ....... Why bother with another injection? I would run hcg @ 250!iu's twice a week instead if a blast at the end and no need to run clo @ 100 mgs for 3 weeks, two weeks is a good enough front load and it is ok to run clo nig for 5 weeks at 50 and 20 mgs. I would prefer short esters for a cut and do it for 8-10 weeks with a proper prime .

**junipoo** · 04-28-2014, 07:11 PM

BB, yea i know Var is kinda pointless, but i only have 15 tabs and I'm not going to really do anything with it so i figure just throw it in there for the heck of it. And i HATE short esters and hate pinning my ass so thats why i want to stick to long esters to just pin both my quads once a week. and I've never run tren and EQ before but I've run EQ on my bulk with deca and sust and loved it, so i just figured id try out the tren/EQ combo. I've seen plenty of people try it and like it so inured id give it a shot. Is it really that that much of a waste in your eyes? an if so why? and I've seen people say run low hcg all thru out cycle but when i use a lot at the end of my cycle just before PCT i can see my boys come back and I've never had a problem restarting my natural test with pct like that. could you explain about the hcg thru out rather than at the end

BT, Ive run about 6 or 7 cycles can't really remember now. but I like the high Tren low Test combo and just wanted to add EQ since i liked it on my other cycle i ran 2 years ago. and and i have winny tabs and var tabs left over from other cycles and that were given to me for free with my other orders so i figure i would just use the orals all now in my cutting cycle. and as BB said this is going to be a cutting cycle, so goals would be to loose body fat and gain or keep quality muscle and increase strength. and i have run Tren at 500mg and 600mg for 10 weeks for 4 cycles now so i figure another 2 weeks shouldn't be that bad on my body.

thanks guys

**Buster Brown** · 04-28-2014, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by junipoo

BB, yea i know Var is kinda pointless, but i only have 15 tabs and I'm not going to really do anything with it so i figure just throw it in there for the heck of it. And i HATE short esters and hate pinning my ass so thats why i want to stick to long esters to just pin both my quads once a week. and I've never run tren and EQ before but I've run EQ on my bulk with deca and sust and loved it, so i just figured id try out the tren/EQ combo. I've seen plenty of people try it and like it so inured id give it a shot. Is it really that that much of a waste in your eyes? an if so why? and I've seen people say run low hcg all thru out cycle but when i use a lot at the end of my cycle just before PCT i can see my boys come back and I've never had a problem restarting my natural test with pct like that. could you explain about the hcg thru out rather than at the end BT, Ive run about 6 or 7 cycles can't really remember now. but I like the high Tren low Test combo and just wanted to add EQ since i liked it on my other cycle i ran 2 years ago. and and i have winny tabs and var tabs left over from other cycles and that were given to me for free with my other orders so i figure i would just use the orals all now in my cutting cycle. and as BB said this is going to be a cutting cycle, so goals would be to loose body fat and gain or keep quality muscle and increase strength. and i have run Tren at 500mg and 600mg for 10 weeks for 4 cycles now so i figure another 2 weeks shouldn't be that bad on my body. thanks guys

Why use hcg to fix when u can just prevent it plus the shot is nothing. EQ.....your tes/deca cycle was prob bomb but doubt the EQ did to much besides raise your rbc which is probably already pretty high. The var.... You can use up, it is up to you. I just think you are already running plenty of gear. Yes, eod pinning with a short Esther is a pain but so isn't cutting with a long Esther over a long period of time. I would rather biulk clean 75% of the time and cut I during shorter cycles..... That's just me though .

**junipoo** · 04-28-2014, 11:34 PM

i guess the only difference would be the cost of buying that many more amps of hcg to have enough to run thru out my cycle. And im using this as a way to cut yes, but i am also hoping to pack on some quality lbs as well. do you think adding EQ to the test and tren is harmful in some way or just unnecessary? and do you have any thoughts on the length of time running t3?

**Buster Brown** · 04-29-2014, 07:06 AM

I just think the EQ is unnecessary for what you want to do. Yes I know it should be run for along time but if your are cutting and losing 2-3 lbs of fat a week at first and then slowing as you reach your goal , that is a lot if fat to lose. If but trying to put on lean lbs and cut ...... Good luck. Yes you will feel harder on gear but once you are off I doubt you will have packed on much. I either bulk or cut. I have tried what u r trying to do and I felt great on cycle and lost fat and really hardened up but when I got off.... I didn't yield much. As far as t3 goes , I don't use it . I use t4 and hgh to drop weight. There is a educational thread that goes into detail about using t3 that will help u.