First Cycle Test-Prop/D-bol Help
Hey guys,
I'm 4 days into my first cycle. I chose test-prop over a longer esther due to time constraints. My brother and I wanted to run our first cycles together and wouldn't have a chance to run a full 12 week cycle until mid next year earliest as we live in different states. So we been thinking and planning this for awhile, suddenly he had a full 7 weeks off and we decided capitalise on it, and to run a 6 week test-prop cycle w Dbol. Would never have ran test e or anything else that short. And was willing to take the risk that test prop is a little more painful and troublesome to run. But felt we were stable enough people to take this smallish risk to fit our schedules. Not afraid of pinning, not afraid of post-pain.
Stats:
Training for 5 years.
12% Bodyfat 70kg.
Good condition overall. Know how to diet and train. Do not know much about gear from experience, but have done a ton or research.
Here is the cycle
Week 1 - week 6: Test Prop 200mg EOD
: 50mg Dbol ED (split into 5 doses)
: Arimidex 0.5mg EOD
PCT Week 7-8 : Nolva 40mg
Week 9-10: Nolva 20mg
Have Clomid and extra Nolva on hand.
So everything great, and then disaster struck haha.
Problems
Soreness after the test prop shot is intense and makes training hard. Omg the weren't lying when they said prop hurts. Ok question is, do i train through it or not? If we're being babies just tell us to suck it up. But its extremely sore and sometimes when i train through it, it just doesn't feel like i'm doing the right thing. I'm not sure if anyone has any idea what the science is to this ? There are a ton of different opinions on this some say, gear crashed in muscle and formed crystals so massage and train through it, some say give it rest etc ... I'm ok with the pain, but i'm just wondering if its going to be like this the rest of the cycle, my training might be affected and then the point of running the cycle is kinda diminished. I'm concerned with doing the right thing, Im much more able to handle the pain if i know its good for me. Problem is if its actually doing me more harm than good. On the plus side, this is 4th day, and left delt (first pin) is a bit better and less red today. Right delt (pinned yesterday) is sore but not as sore as first pin was (but we used only a 100mg in an effort to find out if we could maybe start pinning 100mg each day as opposed to 200mg EOD). Just trying to find best way to go about the cycle.
Secondly, I got a slight test flu after first pin on the following day, which went away by the 3rd day. But on the 3rd day I had my 2nd pin, and today (4th) i'm not feeling great again. Will this continue ? I trained through the first bout of test-flu and felt ok, but obviously wasn't at my A-game at the gym which sucked. Today i train legs and its just a whole host of problems. Firstly i dont feel great, secondly legs gonna be sore as hell tomorrow and thats when I have my next pin which happen to be on butt or quads, and im guessing thats gonna double the soreness. And i pinned shoulders on day 1 and day 3 and tomorrow is also shoulder training and can barely lift my arms. Although left shoulder which i pinned first is doing better.
3rdly, D-bol gave me bad cramps, was ok for my bro so he's still on it. But the cramps for me were intense and made me lose appetite. So this one not up for debate, i instantly stopped the d-bol. Otherwise i wouldnlt be able to train or eat. So screw that. I will try a lower dose to 20mg as soon as this test flu ends. I dont want to complicate shit. The 2nd day of cycle. WOke up with test-flu, stomach cramps and immobile shoulder. Haha. Imagine the shock to wake up on my first cycle 2nd day thinking im gonna go train and kill it only to feel like i was dying. Anyway got up forced fed myself, and dragged myself to gym. All good, but what should i do from here on out.
Question is, should i continue with this cycle ? Is there any way to salvage it ? Should i a) work through it and re analyze at a later date, maybe it starts to ache less, maybe test flu goes away. Please note that now that first pin was 200mg, made incrediby sore. 2nd pin was 100mg in effort to see if smaller doses help recovery of soreness so can train properly. If continue on cycle, will try something like 150mg next pin and maybe keep it there EOD. So dosage of whole cycle lowered a bit. Maybe add in some 200mg pins here and there on butt shots b) give up on this cycle, which really sucks i guess c) maybe there's some other way to re-do my cycle plan and add in some test-e and maybe front-load, and backload with test prop. or something. Or start test-e now, stretch the cycle to 8 weeks by backloading on the test e on end of week 8. Basically the first day of week 8 is the last day I can pin. I have been reading a ton on esther half lives, but I understand half lives and active lives, but i to do a plan like this, i need an idea of how test accumulates. I understand that the whole reason why test-e is taking weekly is because even though test levels technically should start to rise as soon as it is injected (as esthers are cleaved off and become dissolved in lipid phase) So basically the dosage is irrelevant to how much test levels increase at one time. I'm not sure if dosing test e weekly keeps blood test levels stable ? or does it have a cumulative effect. I'm guessing there is some accumulation as people always say week4 onwards they really start to feel it, or is it just week 4 onwards people notice physical gains because thats really just that it takes muscle time to grow, and your body time to get stronger, even on steroids you will need training to grow so you can pin today, actually have effects but not feel or see any changes in strength, size but definately have mental effects etc .. and people just less sensitive to those changes and thus feel like it only hits like week 4. Anyway, my point is is there anyway to mix test prop and test e and somehow create a cycle with only 8 weeks, and week 8 day 1 is last day to pin.
Thanks in advance !! Sorry if its tons long, tried not to miss anything in terms of info !