looking for info on doing my first cycle,thanks in advance.

[Joec1980]

Hi all,as the post suggests,i am planning on starting my first cycle,nothing fancy,just a little bulk then cut for the summer. I've been back into lifting for about 2 years and have never done anabolics before. I havent been bodybuilding or powerlifting,just hitting the iron the best i can. bench320, dead around 460ish(my lifting buddy and dissagree on the lock out) & squat405. my buddy hooked me up with 2 bottles,anadrol (oxymetholone 25mg/tab) and Winstrol (stanozolol 25mg/tab). anyone out there have any suggestions on a cycle and maybe when to take anti-estrrogens? any help would be much appreciated thanks.

[michael30]

Stats and goals please!

[thesecretuser]

Hey there, those are some pretty solid lifts u got there. Ill try to give you an idea of what a good first cycke would be ti the best if my knowledge. For a good first bulk cycke i would sugest you try something like this.
Week 1
1000 mg of test enananthate split into 2 injections (Monday and thursday). This would be your frontloading phase. This is done in hopes of getting your gear to kick in faster, if done the traditional way it will take 4-6 weeks to "kick in".
Weeks 2-12
Test enanthate 500 mg a week split into two injections, again Monday and Thursday.
Weeks 1-4
Dianabol 30-60 mg. Whatever you feel comfortable with. Discontinue Dianabol after the end if your 4th week due to it being harsh on the liver. The reason you take an iral such as dianabol for the first 4 weeks is because it often takes 4 weeks on average for your testosterone enanthate injections to " kick in ".
Also be sure to use an Aromatize inhibitor such as arimidex through out your cycle. The recommended dose is .5mg eod however everyone is different and will require a diferent dose, .5mg eod may kill your libido and make you feel lethargic or it simply may not be enough for you, you will have to expirement with diferrent doses to find where you are most comfortable. I myself do not need arimidex at 500mg of testosterone a week. It may or may nit be the same for you.

Last but not least you will need to do PCT (Post cycle therapy ). This is done to get your body to produce natural testosterone as soon as possible.

A standard pct for the cycle i have mentioned would have to be started 2 weeks after your last testosterone injection and would look like this

Week 1
Hcg 500 iu every day.
Week 2
500 iu everyday for the first 3 days
Nolvadex
40mg every day
Week 3
Nolvadex
40 mg ed
Week 4
Nolvadex 20 mg every day
Week 5
Nolvadex 20mg every day

Notes; the testosterone is split into 2 injections to maintain stable blood levels and thus keeping side to a minumum.

Arimidex is used to prevent side effects such as Gynecomastia , Acne and high blood pressure. It also reduces water retention. Good for bloats.

You didnt specify what your age was, if you are under 25 i would suggest including the dianabol in your cycle as testosterone alone wont produce a "miracle" perse, under 25 you already have very high testosterone and all you would really be doing by taking testosterone would be replacing your natural testosterone with exogenous testostetone. If you are over 25 the dianabol is not necessary, you will definitely notice a difference with testosterone alone.

[Joec1980]

i'm 5'10 240. running at about 25%bf im guessing.

[thesecretuser]

Sorry, forgot to mention you should keep nolvadex on hand in case you get gynecomastia . If you de get gyno take nolvadex at 20mg every day until symptoms subside.
Also your bodyfat is a bit high to be cycling, i would suggest cutting down to at least 15% to keep side to a minumum.

[Joec1980]

ok thanks alot. im 33,but like i said all i have is anadrol and winstrol ...in there anything i can get over the counter as in anti-estrogens?

[Joec1980]

yeah from what i was reading it might be a good i dead to cut quit a bit before i start. and il keep novlvadex in mind thanks

[thesecretuser]

ok thanks alot. im 33,but like i said all i have is anadrol and winstrol...in there anything i can get over the counter as in anti-estrogens?

Ahh i see, well you bulk with the anadrol at 50mg ed, for 6-8 weeks, if you have enough that it is. You would still have to do your pct tho, you can get real arimidex from ar-r ( the site sponsor) as well as nolvadex and clomid for your pct.

As for over the counter arimidex.... You can get a type of natural arimidex at some supplement stores.
I think you can even get something like that at herbalife shops lol.

If you get gyno or even feel like you're getting gyno, you could go to your doctor and let him know what you are up to and ge should prescribe you some nolvadex but like i said, you can get all that from ar-r for "research purposes".

As for cutting you would do the same as you would with the anadrol except yiu would be using the winstrol .with a caloric deficit of course.

I still reccommend you lower your bodyfat before taking the anadrol just to keep sides to a minumum

Hope this helps.

[Joec1980]

Ahh i see, well you bulk with the anadrol at 50mg ed, for 6-8 weeks, if you have enough that it is. You would still have to do your pct tho, you can get real arimidex from ar-r ( the site sponsor) as well as nolvadex and clomid for your pct.

As for over the counter arimidex.... You can get a type of natural arimidex at some supplement stores.
I think you can even get something like that at herbalife shops lol.

If you get gyno or even feel like you're getting gyno, you could go to your doctor and let him know what you are up to and ge should prescribe you some nolvadex but like i said, you can get all that from ar-r for "research purposes".

As for cutting you would do the same as you would with the anadrol, with a caloric deficit of course.

I still reccommend you lower your bodyfat before taking the anadrol just to keep sides to a minumum

Hope this helps.

helps a lot man thanks much

[Mr.BB]

Read this for your 1st cycle before you hurt yourself: My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[numbere]

I don't think that is a very good cycle for a first time user for several reasons. First cycles should only be testosterone . This way the athlete can gauge their reaction to test. As test will be the foundation of all future cycles.

Next, hCG should only be used on cycle not for PCT.

Finally, PCT should include both clomid and nolva.

Please refer to the linked thread from BB for a first cycle.

It would also be in your best interest to read all of the threads in this database:

Austinite's Educational Article Database

[thesecretuser]

I don't think that is a very good cycle for a first time user for several reasons. First cycles should only be testosterone . This way the athlete can gauge their reaction to test. As test will be the foundation of all future cycles.

Next, hCG should only be used on cycle not for PCT.

Finally, PCT should include both clomid and nolva.

Please refer to the linked thread from BB for a first cycle.

It would also be in your best interest to read all of the threads in this database:

Austinite's Educational Article Database

Hcg on cycle might cause the body to become dependant on it, Nolva and Clomid are almost the same compound, you dont need both (not saying both is bad). The only advantage clomid has over nolva is that it seems to restore testicle size a bit more than nolva. However, Clomid tends to cause the user to break out (acne) due to the fact that you have to take more of it to match nolva, (150mg clomid = 40mg Nolva, more or less). HCG restores testicle size a lot better than clomid would and at a faster rate too. Last but not least he will do whatever he wants to do regardless of what any user of this site tells him. Judging by his previous posts... it seems as if he has no intentions of seeking test of any form at the moment. Might as well give him advice on how to do what he wants to do the proper way instead of simply telling him that he's wrong without even explaining why.

This might be a good read for you my friend, notice how it keeps saying over and over that you do not need both nolva and clomid. Not saying nolva+clomid is wrong.

How To Come Off Steroids - Steroid. com

[woodpecker]

Hi all,as the post suggests,i am planning on starting my first cycle,nothing fancy,just a little bulk then cut for the summer. I've been back into lifting for about 2 years and have never done anabolics before. I havent been bodybuilding or powerlifting,just hitting the iron the best i can. bench320, dead around 460ish(my lifting buddy and dissagree on the lock out) & squat405. my buddy hooked me up with 2 bottles,anadrol(oxymetholone 25mg/tab) and Winstrol(stanozolol 25mg/tab). anyone out there have any suggestions on a cycle and maybe when to take anti-estrrogens? any help would be much appreciated thanks.

Anadrol isn't a good option for your first cycle really. Its one of the strongest orals out there and can come with some nasty sides.

[Projectswole44]

Get your bodyfat % down to 15. Run test only for your first cycle, maybe a 10 week run of test e at 250mg twice a week. Get yourself some hcg and an AI such as armidex while your on the gear. Pct clomid and nolva and some DAA. But most importantly do some research for yourself, educate and dominate big guy

[numbere]

Thanks for the article it was a good read. However I believe the information is outdated.

hCG should be used on cycle and not during PCT because it is a repressive hormone. hCG mimics LH, when LH levels are high the pituitary gland will not be sent the signal to produce LH. During PCT we are trying to regain homeostasis. Why would we want to repress proper endocrine function? Furthermoe, when hCG is used on cycle the Leydig cells of the testes never shut down and less of a dose is needed. Personally I don't like the idea of my testies being shutdown for any period of time if it's avoidable.

Clomid and nolva are not the same chemical. Yet, they work similarly. It is in one's best interest to use both during PCT because the work in synergy. One one improves the amplitude of LH and the other the frequency of LH production. Nolva improves clomid's performance my making it compete for binding sites.

The reason I didn't explain all this in my first response is because the information was in the links provided. I have the OP's best interests in mind, and would like to protect his health. It's up to the OP to do thorough research though.

[thesecretuser]

Thanks for the article it was a good read. However I believe the information is outdated.

hCG should be used on cycle and not during PCT because it is a repressive hormone. hCG mimics LH, when LH levels are high the pituitary gland will not be sent the signal to produce LH. During PCT we are trying to regain homeostasis. Why would we want to repress proper endocrine function? Furthermoe, when hCG is used on cycle the Leydig cells of the testes never shut down and less of a dose is needed. Personally I don't like the idea of my testies being shutdown for any period of time if it's avoidable.

Clomid and nolva are not the same chemical. Yet, they work similarly. It is in one's best interest to use both during PCT because the work in synergy. One one improves the amplitude of LH and the other the frequency of LH production. Nolva improves clomid's performance my making it compete for binding sites.

The reason I didn't explain all this in my first response is because the information was in the links provided. I have the OP's best interests in mind, and would like to protect his health. It's up to the OP to do thorough research though.

Lol, no beef but there is a lot of debate regarding hcg, some say the user risks becoming dependant if its used for more than 21 days while others say it wont. However, by logic both studys would have to agree that using it for 10 days would not cause dependance. Also i shouldve been more specif and clear, the first week of hcg would have to be administered while the substances used have not yet cleared out of your system. More specifcly 7 days before you start pct.

Dont get me wrong i would love shoot 500 iu of hcg a week to keep my testes active but i just cant seem to find any article proving that doing this is safe. If you have an article please do post it.

And once again, no beef.

[numbere]

I agree no beef at all. Actually I enjoy a good discussion.

Not saying your wrong, but I've never herd of one becoming dependent on hCG .

There are studies that prove high doses (1000ui+) of hCG desensitize leydig cells, and we only have a finite number of leydig cells. After testicular atrophy has set in larger doses of HCG are usually required to regain proper testicular function. Using larger doses has the potential to desensitize leydig cells. Using hCG while on cycle requires smaller doses (250ui 2x week) than during PCT. Here is a brief thread that a HRT specialist from this forum wrote on hCG. He makes a strong case for using it on cycle.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[austinite]

OP. You need to stop whatever you're thinking of doing and start researching. The compounds you have are worthless to you and will do nothing but result in a host of issues.

Stop whatever you're doing and research.

hCG on cycle when you get your body fat down and run testosterone only for your first cycle. It's your body, but it's kept you going for 33 years, respect it.

[VegasBody]

I don't think that is a very good cycle for a first time user for several reasons. First cycles should only be testosterone . This way the athlete can gauge their reaction to test. As test will be the foundation of all future cycles. Next, hCG should only be used on cycle not for PCT. Finally, PCT should include both clomid and nolva. Please refer to the linked thread from BB for a first cycle. It would also be in your best interest to read all of the threads in this database: Austinite's Educational Article Database

Good Job Again
I could have not writing it better myself

[thesecretuser]

I agree no beef at all. Actually I enjoy a good discussion.

Not saying your wrong, but I've never herd of one becoming dependent on hCG .

There are studies that prove high doses (1000ui+) of hCG desensitize leydig cells, and we only have a finite number of leydig cells. After testicular atrophy has set in larger doses of HCG are usually required to regain proper testicular function. Using larger doses has the potential to desensitize leydig cells. Using hCG while on cycle requires smaller doses (250ui 2x week) than during PCT. Here is a brief thread that a HRT specialist from this forum wrote on hCG. He makes a strong case for using it on cycle.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

Thanks for the read, Austinite sure dumbed it down ( in a good way). Normally i wouldnt trust an article like that but being how its coming from a hrt specialist i would have to say its a very credible source.

I'll definitely give this a try. I just started a cycle too so i decided to get some hcg immediately and yes, a good discussion is always welcome.

"A wise man speaks because he has something to say, a fool speaks because he has to say something"