Arms hurting more than usual

3 days ago my bud pined 1ml of cyp 250 and 1/2 1ml of eq 300. His arm has never hurt this bad for 3 days. What did he do wrong !

Also, I just started a cycle of test 400 with eq. I do 1ml of each every five days. I have d-Bol 25 on hand aswell. Any insight/ advice would be great. I read and try to understand as much as I can but these forums help me a lot.

Thanks

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Mate,

21 is a bit young for you to be using steroids.

You provided practically no information....
....how do you expect to receive any type of answer?

I understand 21 is young, and of course I know the risks involved but this is something I want to do, and do it as safely and effectively as I can.

I probably won't grow any more, I get 5000-7000 calories a day with around 50g of protein. I have been on this diet and lifting regularly for almost 2 years and can't get past 135 pounds. I'm an ectomorph

Yes I'm a novice so please be patient.
I planned on a 12 week cycle Of test 400 blend/eq 300 Using clomid as my pct, also have 10000 of hcg iu if it is necessary

Is that any help, or detailed enough to where you could advise on dose ect?

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I understand 21 is young, and of course I know the risks involved but this is something I want to do, and do it as safely and effectively as I can.

I probably won't grow any more, I get 5000-7000 calories a day with around 50g of protein. I have been on this diet and lifting regularly for almost 2 years and can't get past 135 pounds. I'm an ectomorph

Yes I'm a novice so please be patient.
I planned on a 12 week cycle Of test 400 blend/eq 300 Using clomid as my pct, also have 10000 of hcg iu if it is necessary

Is that any help, or detailed enough to where you could advise on dose ect?

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Lmao 5000-7000 calories with ONLY 50grams of protein...... What the hell r u eating? Potato chips??? Wow!

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

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There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

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Thanks Marcus,

That was an interesting read and I truly appreciate the insight. Maybe I could reconsider and find alternative ways to reach my goals