Week 8 of 16 test e and Eq cycle, expected weight to be up more?

[Schoolboy]

Cycle: 16weeks 1st time ever.
480mg test e / week
480mg eq / week

Cant get eq no more. So thinking of dropping.

Increased test e to 600mg/ week at start of week 8

Im up 3kgs from the start is this average or ?
Abs just visible in morning slowly going away tho. (Bulking)..

Height 176cm
Age 20 ( save it already heard it all i choose this path for a reason)
Weight 83.00kg

All my gym mates is saying and complimenting me on my progress (they dont know about my cycle)
But i dont see it .. :/

Little indications like i can dumbbell curl 20kgs for 5 sets now used to do 15kgs sorta make me think somethiñgs working.

But not seeing noticeable differences just very slow..

[marcus300]

You need to learn how to train properly and really stimulate growth,
You also need to learn how to eat correctly, these two things are what will make a huge difference,
You also need to stop using steroids before your own test has fully developed, your going to have problems for zero results.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Schoolboy]

My diet is done by a nutritionist..
As for training that can never be mastered theres way too much to learn.

As for the age factor thats a personal choice.

More or less asking whats peoples average gains halfway through a test e cycle/ weight wise that is.
Thanks for reply tho

[marcus300]

My diet is done by a nutritionist..
As for training that can never be mastered theres way too much to learn.

As for the age factor thats a personal choice.

More or less asking whats peoples average gains halfway through a test e cycle/ weight wise that is.
Thanks for reply tho

Its irrelevant what other members gains are,
It also doesn't matter what your gains are going to be because you will lose all of them after the cycle because you diet and training cant support any new tissue if it could you would of gained a hell of a lot more.
You are also up against shutting down your natural test what's not fully developed which can cause you huge problems in recovery, you may have issues getting an erection plus a boat load of other problems, so shutting down your natural test without building a good solid base form hard training and eating the right diet isn't worth it.
Your nutritionist doesn't know anything otherwise you would be a lot heavier,
You also need to learn how to train correctly, it takes time and you cant rush it by taking steroids but I get a feeling you don't want to hear my help so I will leave you to it but trust me, you will know soon enough.

best of luck

[stirated]

Cycle: 16weeks 1st time ever.
480mg test e / week
480mg eq / week

Cant get eq no more. So thinking of dropping.

Increased test e to 600mg/ week at start of week 8

Im up 3kgs from the start is this average or ?
Abs just visible in morning slowly going away tho. (Bulking)..

Height 176cm
Age 20 ( save it already heard it all i choose this path for a reason)
Weight 83.00kg

All my gym mates is saying and complimenting me on my progress (they dont know about my cycle)
But i dont see it .. :/

Little indications like i can dumbbell curl 20kgs for 5 sets now used to do 15kgs sorta make me think somethiñgs working.

But not seeing noticeable differences just very slow..

So much I find strange with this cycle but I won't bash you for doing it, can you elaborate on what you mean buy choose this path for a reason.

Also why the odd amount of gear eg 480mg a week, why not just round it out to 500mg.

Running EQ I would be getting my Red Blood Cell count done as this drug is notorious for increasing RBC to dangerous levels.

Most will agree running only Test for a first cycle I also am of this belief but its a bit late now.

The gains you mentioned for a vert first cycle have me concerned because they are so low.

Could be one of 3 things, one your gear is under dosed, two your not eating enough of the right types of foods, three your training needs attention.

At 8 weeks in and up only 3kgs is not good especially for a first cycle which is always your best gains wise.

Cheers.

[Unrealone]

83kg is what, around 182/83? how many calories does your Nutritionist have you taking in daily and whats the breakdown?

[Schoolboy]

Im starting to think its under dosed tbh, going for bloods would be my best bet to chek for that correct?

232p
386c
57fats

4039 cals.

[stirated]

Im starting to think its under dosed tbh, going for bloods would be my best bet to chek for that correct?

232p
386c
57fats

4039 cals.

Correct blood work will give a better indication.

[Roger11]

Correct blood work will give a better indication.

Shredded that you? Or you just using his DP?

[Schoolboy]

Getting onto asap. Gunna be gutted if everything iv taken so far under dosed, been giving every day hell.

[Back In Black]

Im starting to think its under dosed tbh, going for bloods would be my best bet to chek for that correct?

232p
386c
57fats

4039 cals.

Which of these figures is incorrect? Your macro's don't quite add up to even 3000cals. Maybe that's your problem.

[Schoolboy]

Missus calculated it up wrong sorry. Women...

[gearbox]

What exactly did you expect to gain. They are not magic and you will gain more water then fat and muscle imo. Then you will lose everything if you do not train rest and eat properly.

[Back In Black]

Missus calculated it up wrong sorry. Women...

I wouldn't trust it to anybody else. So you are eating less than 3000cals a day?

[Unrealone]

what ugl are you using?... someone might know if its known for underdosing