My first newb Q's

[NoSheetSherlock]

My goal is to be able to take off my shirt show off my newly achieved bod within the next 2-3 months. Which I am imagining will be an extra 15-20 lbs muscle gain.

I want to get big, fast, but not so fast that its blatantly obvious to everyone around me that I am juicing. I have a professional image to uphold and word about my juicing may harm that.

I don't know if 15-20 lbs in 2-3 months is possible naturally. I want to gain muscle just so much that it may have people wondering if im juicing but wouldn't be able to know for sure. If that makes any sense...

So my question would be, is there a way to juice enough or limit your workouts so you don't gain overly fast? If so, how much would you suggest I should gain every month in order to be able to keep the word on the DL?

Second question would be about how to get gear? I know the rules of the forum so im not asking for a specific vendor or dealer. I just want to know how to go about asking the right questions and talking to the right people to do this in a "safe" manner. Go up to the buffest dude at the gym and ask him where I can get the gear?

I am going to hire a personal trainer at my local big name gym and I would like to tell him im juicing so he can tailor my workouts accordingly. But is that a good idea to come out upfront and ask him if he could train me specifically for juicing? What are my repercussions if he doesn't agree with them and refuses to train me while taking them?

[Novice489]

I would say you need to do a lot more reading before considering a cycle most of the questions your asking are in the stickies on this forum.

Which I am imagining will be an extra 15-20 lbs muscle gain

You'll likely gain 20 lbs, shed about 8 to 10 lbs of water, and you're left with 5 to 6 lbs of muscle and some fat. -Austinite

[MuscleInk]

My goal is to be able to take off my shirt show off my newly achieved bod within the next 2-3 months. Which I am imagining will be an extra 15-20 lbs muscle gain. I want to get big, fast, but not so fast that its blatantly obvious to everyone around me that I am juicing. I have a professional image to uphold and word about my juicing may harm that. I don't know if 15-20 lbs in 2-3 months is possible naturally. I want to gain muscle just so much that it may have people wondering if im juicing but wouldn't be able to know for sure. If that makes any sense... So my question would be, is there a way to juice enough or limit your workouts so you don't gain overly fast? If so, how much would you suggest I should gain every month in order to be able to keep the word on the DL? Second question would be about how to get gear? I know the rules of the forum so im not asking for a specific vendor or dealer. I just want to know how to go about asking the right questions and talking to the right people to do this in a "safe" manner. Go up to the buffest dude at the gym and ask him where I can get the gear? I am going to hire a personal trainer at my gym (LA fitness) and I would like to tell him im juicing so he can tailor my workouts accordingly. But is that a good idea to come out upfront and ask him if he could train me specifically for juicing? What are my repercussions if he doesn't agree with them and refuses to train me while taking them?

How long have you been training?
What are your current stats?
15-20lbs is NOT reasonable. Growth doesn't happen that fast even with steroids .
How many calories are you consuming a day?
Do not publicize use of illegal drugs. Not smart.
Save your money. Most trainers at franchised gyms don't know shit.
If your goal is to look buffed in 2-3 months, it's not going to happen. It takes time and commitment.

***At 20 years of age, no one here is going to recommend steroids for you.***

[bgthailand]

So much good info to read first. My first cycle I kept about 10lbs after 3 months. I only ran test at 600mg trained harder than ever, ate clean and protein, protein and more protein. A lot will depend on your current stats. I would do a lot more research before jumping on steroids

[NoSheetSherlock]

I would say you need to do a lot more reading before considering a cycle most of the questions your asking are in the stickies on this forum.

Ok... that would be the reason im here in the first place right? To do a lot of reading and learning before doing?

How long have you been training?
What are your current stats?
15-20lbs is NOT reasonable. Growth doesn't happen that fast even with steroids .
How many calories are you consuming a day?
Do not publicize use of illegal drgs. Not smart.
Save your money. Most trainers at franchised gyms don't know shit.
If your goal is to look buffed in 2-3 months, it's not going to happen. It takes time and commitment.

***At 20 years of age, no one here is going to recommend steroids for you.***

I wouldn't say I have been training consistently at all. Ive worked out on and off for about 5-8 months at a time since I was about 13 and seen small results. I know how to work out (maybe never implemented the best routine) but it has been so hard for me to gain any weight at all that it is easy to lose motivation.

I am getting about 3000 calories per day. My goal is to get 5000+ but with my busy schedule its hard for me to find time to eat that much.

I know I wont be buffed in 2-3 months. But I do know its possible to gain enough muscle on my body to be more confident with myself. Especially on steroids. Im not looking for a magic potion that will make me buff over night and I know steroids still take a lot of work. But obviously steroids will get me there much faster then naturally. From what I understand in the little research ive done about 3x faster then naturally. Is that a safe estimation?

[NoSheetSherlock]

Missed a couple points:

Save your money. Most trainers at franchised gyms don't know shit.

That may be true but I don't have any friends that are motivated enough to actually stick to a routine so I need to have someone keep me accountable and push me to my limit. Its not so much about their knowledge but someone to keep me on track.

***At 20 years of age, no one here is going to recommend steroids for you.***

Appreciate it but I wasn't really looking for recommendation or approval. Many guys use roids at my age very successfully so I don't see why it would be any different for me then any other full grown man that is older.

[numbere]

Many guys use roids at my age very successfully so I don't see why it would be any different for me then and other full grown man that is older.

You couldn't be more wrong. I say this with the best intentions and your heath in mind.

The Young and Steroids

[MuscleInk]

Ok... that would be the reason im here in the first place right? To do a lot of reading and learning before doing? I wouldn't say I have been training consistently at all. Ive worked out on and off for about 5-8 months at a time since I was about 13 and seen small results. I know how to work out (maybe never implemented the best routine) but it has been so hard for me to gain any weight at all that it is easy to lose motivation. I am getting about 3000 calories per day. My goal is to get 5000+ but with my busy schedule its hard for me to find time to eat that much. I know I wont be buffed in 2-3 months. But I do know its possible to gain enough muscle on my body to be more confident with myself. Especially on steroids. Im not looking for a magic potion that will make me buff over night and I know steroids still take a lot of work. But obviously steroids will get me there much faster then naturally. From what I understand in the little research ive done about 3x faster then naturally. Is that a safe estimation?

As they say.......you can make excuses or you can make progress. Many of us have jobs, school, kids, spouses, and more. In the month of May, I was home for 5 days the entire month due to a very busy travel schedule. I still found time to train 4x a week and eat according to my goals.

Confidence comes from within you, not in a syringe or a pill. I know many guys your age are worried about what other people think of them or their appearance. The reality is, people your age are too worried about themselves to really worry about others.

If you aren't gaining, you aren't eating enough and/or training correctly. By your own admission you haven't trained consistently to see any results. Steroids won't correct bad nutrition or poor inconsistent work ethic in the gym. Moreover, your soft tissue is underdeveloped from a lack of training and steroids will add too much strain to these areas increasing risks for serious injuries. I'm 45 now. Been training frequently from 15-23 years of age until medical school took up a lot of my time. I started training heavily in the gym in 2008 and didn't touch steroids until I was 39. After 5 years of training 6 days a week and having a solid foundation in strength and size, I suffered a grade 2 tear of my right gastrocnemius and believe me, muscle tears or damage to your ligaments/tendons are NO joke!!!

[NoSheetSherlock]

You couldn't be more wrong. I say this with the best intentions and your heath in mind.

Im guessing you mean due to the fact that some guys are not fully developed at 20 years old? I have not grown a fraction of an inch since I was 15. I was 6'3" at that age and am still that height. No one in my family family tree less than a few generations back has been much taller then that so im pretty sure that I am done growing. Im not closed minded to learning what I should and shouldn't do but theres not too much that can convince me to not at the very least try it for a short time after reading the steroids .com side effects section which was actually what prompted me to actually consider roids and that they may not be as bad as I previously thought.

[MuscleInk]

Missed a couple points: That may be true but I don't have any friends that are motivated enough to actually stick to a routine so I need to have someone keep me accountable and push me to my limit. Its not so much about their knowledge but someone to keep me on track. Appreciate it but I wasn't really looking for recommendation or approval. Many guys use roids at my age very successfully so I don't see why it would be any different for me then any other full grown man that is older.

Here is another problem. If you need a trainer or friends to stay motivated, you haven't made enough of a commitment to even be discussing steroids .

No difference in age? Really? So shutting down the HTPA in your brain which controls your hormone cycles before it finishes developing around 25 isn't going to cause problems? Think again. I've treated plenty of guys your age (and I still get calls) who took steroids and now can't get erections, have little to no sex drive, can't produce enough of their own testosterone , are losing their hair, have estrogen related problems, are depressed, and more. There are plenty of young men your age who are members here for the sole purpose of getting help from steroid cycles that screwed them up - even cycles that were run correctly. You have absolutely no way of knowing if your HTPA will recover once you shut it off with steroids.

As for friends who may have used steroids and were "ok". Really? So if you use steroids and suddenly your dick can't get hard to save your life, are you really going to run around the neighborhood telling everyone your dick is as soft as a 90 year old make and so are your testosterone levels ? I hardly think so and neither will your friends. If you think you lack confidence now will a leaner physique than you'd like, how much confidence are you going to have when you're with a girl and she's laughing at your 20-something year old limp dick and probably telling her friends that the hot guy she's dating can't get enough wood to bang a hot girl.

I'm sorry. This isn't what you want to hear. On this board, we encourage SAFE use of steroids. At your age, it's neither safe or necessary.

[MuscleInk]

Im guessing you mean due to the fact that some guys are not fully developed at 20 years old? I have not grown a fraction of an inch since I was 15. I was 6'3" at that age and am still that height. No one in my family family tree less than a few generations back has been much taller then that so im pretty sure that I am done growing. Im not closed minded to learning what I should and shouldn't do but theres not too much that can convince me to not at the very least try it for a short time after reading the steroids.com side effects section which was actually what prompted me to actually consider roids and that they may not be as bad as I previously thought.

Height has nothing to do with it. That statement clearly demonstrates your lack of knowledge of your own endocrine system which can continue in its development trajectory reaching maturation at about 25 years of age.

[jason559]

Hahaha 20lb of muscle in two months. Hahahahabahabababababababababxnxmkcbdnnxhxhs j jbdvdbdjdjxhxhdbd. Sorry i fell over laughing

[MuscleInk]

Hahaha 20lb of muscle in two months. Hahahahabahabababababababababxnxmkcbdnnxhxhs j jbdvdbdjdjxhxhdbd. Sorry i fell over laughing

Maybe if he photoshops his pics.

[NoSheetSherlock]

As they say.......you can make excuses or you can make progress. Many of us have jobs, school, kids, spouses, and more. In the month of May, I was home for 5 days the entire month due to a very busy travel schedule. I still found time to train 4x a week and eat according to my goals.

Confidence comes from within you, not in a syringe or a pill. I know many guys your age are worried about what other people think of them or their appearance. The reality is, people your age are too worried about themselves to really worry about others.

If you aren't gaining, you aren't eating enough and/or training correctly. By your own admission you haven't trained consistently to see any results. Steroids won't correct bad nutrition or poor inconsistent work ethic in the gym. Moreover, your soft tissue is underdeveloped from a lack of training and steroids will add too much strain to these areas increasing risks for serious injuries. I'm 45 now. Been training frequently from 15-23 years of age until medical school took up a lot of my time. I started training heavily in the gym in 2008 and didn't touch steroids until I was 39. After 5 years of training 6 days a week and having a solid foundation in strength and size, I suffered a grade 2 tear of my right gastrocnemius and believe me, muscle tears or damage to your ligaments/tendons are NO joke!!!

Trust me im right there with you on the excuses or progress. I work 50-60 hours/week at a grinding day job with a single 30 minute lunch break and a couple 10 minute breaks. So during the first 3/4 of the day I have very little time to eat that much. Even spending all of my breaks eating (which I do). On top of this day job I also own a marketing business so I come home for a few minutes to shower then take off again for meetings or the gym. Even eating every chance I get I feel like I can barely get my 3k cals in. Its time management sure, but at this point in my life im busting balls trying to improve my quality of life in every aspect. From appearance to financial. Which I think both are important to take care of at my young age and I believe I can do it with a little motivation and results.

Confidence is definitely within me but im tired of being the anorexic looking guy with the inverted chest needing to turn down the hot blond that wants to go swimming with me. I could do it. I have done it. But I don't want to do it. I want to be comfortable with my appearance for me and for people looking at me. At my age theres a reason we are caught up with how we look. But not really the place/time to go into a psychology discussion.

I am very aware that my training/consistency has not been enough to gain. But part of that reason is that with my body type it is harder for me then others and ill admit it, I want an easier way so I can see some results a little bit faster and keep myself motivated to see it through and actually do everything I need to do.

[NoSheetSherlock]

Hahaha 20lb of muscle in two months. Hahahahabahabababababababababxnxmkcbdnnxhxhs j jbdvdbdjdjxhxhdbd. Sorry i fell over laughing

Cool :-) Should probably take a chill pill brah cause youre on dru gs if it was that funny.

[jason559]

Hmmmm ok. Well at 3k cal diet on gear ur not going to see 10 so try again playa

[NoSheetSherlock]

Here is another problem. If you need a trainer or friends to stay motivated, you haven't made enough of a commitment to even be discussing steroids .

No difference in age? Really? So shutting down the HTPA in your brain which controls your hormone cycles before it finishes developing around 25 isn't going to cause problems? Think again. I've treated plenty of guys your age (and I still get calls) who took steroids and now can't get erections, have little to no sex drive, can't produce enough of their own testosterone , are losing their hair, have estrogen related problems, are depressed, and more. There are plenty of young men your age who are members here for the sole purpose of getting help from steroid cycles that screwed them up - even cycles that were run correctly. You have absolutely no way of knowing if your HTPA will recover once you shut it off with steroids.

As for friends who may have used steroids and were "ok". Really? So if you use steroids and suddenly your dick can't get hard to save your life, are you really going to run around the neighborhood telling everyone your dick is as soft as a 90 year old make and so are your testosterone levels ? I hardly think so and neither will your friends. If you think you lack confidence now will a leaner physique than you'd like, how much confidence are you going to have when you're with a girl and she's laughing at your 20-something year old limp dick and probably telling her friends that the hot guy she's dating can't get enough wood to bang a hot girl.

I'm sorry. This isn't what you want to hear. On this board, we encourage SAFE use of steroids. At your age, it's neither safe or necessary.

Well that opened my eyes to some new possibilities so I appreciate it. But im still going to research it further on my own. This sh*t just gets a little overwhelming when different people/articles say different things and you don't know who tf to believe.

[jason559]

If ur going to start aas use and ur 25< then i would rec. Test at 500mg and eq. At 500 for its amazing ability to make ur appetite go sky high. In addition the rbc count being high draws more nutrients in

[NoSheetSherlock]

As already stated and is obvious, im a newb. And im a newb willing to learn. Theres no need for flaming or telling me I need to research more. Thats clearly what im here for.

[NoSheetSherlock]

If ur going to start aas use and ur 25< then i would rec. Test at 500mg and eq. At 500 for its amazing ability to make ur appetite go sky high. In addition the rbc count being high draws more nutrients in

Thing is my appetite is already much bigger than most. I could get all the cals I need if I could manage to get the time in or find something with high enough calories in small amounts.

[jason559]

Im 6'5" 240 off c and 275-85 on. Wen off i eat a 50-30-20 split at 5500 cals and when on same split but around 7000 cals. I wake at 5 am with a serious mass shake with two egg whites, and peanut butter added. So i get 15-1700 easy im my shake before my shower. I fall asleep with a SM shake by itself at 1100 so that there almost kills ur day.

I would pack a ziplock with meal replacement and slam one or two during ur day, itll easilly double ur cals and prob ur protein intake

[RigPig]

this went from 1000 reasons why not to do it to "OK, here's how you do it"...pretty fast."
Listen NSS, that guy MuscleInk, the guy who gave you many reasons why now isn't your time to partake, the guy who is a f**kig MD, might be worth listening to. These guys aren't here to wreck your dreams, they speak from experience, they are the ones paving the way for us newbies, so we don't make the same mistakes they did. These guys have experience that goes back way before the internet, before you could google & become a "pro". Take their advice, its free.

[Novice489]

this went from 1000 reasons why not to do it to "OK, here's how you do it"...pretty fast."
Listen NSS, that guy MuscleInk, the guy who gave you many reasons why now isn't your time to partake, the guy who is a f**kig MD, might be worth listening to. These guys aren't here to wreck your dreams, they speak from experience, they are the ones paving the way for us newbies, so we don't make the same mistakes they did. These guys have experience that goes back way before the internet, before you could google & become a "pro". Take their advice, its free.

Seriously free advice from an MD who's informed about steroids and you didn't even have to pay your co-pay.

[MuscleInk]

We've all got something to offer to the members and many knowledgable members here with more to offer as well. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to contribute where/when I can!

[kelkel]

We've all got something to offer to the members and many knowledgable members here with more to offer as well. I'm just grateful for the opportunity to contribute where/when I can!

Damn, I just got a little emotional over that statement. Better check my E........

[RigPig]

^^hahaha

[MuscleInk]

Damn, I just got a little emotional over that statement. Better check my E........

Maybe you just need a hug......