Yes another first cycle thread!!

[juicerat69]

OK so first post, and yes, first cycle advice I'm looking for.

I have been reading and researching quietly in the background to educate myself somewhat.
So here is what my first cycle will consist of, hopefully if there are any bad parts or improvements
some of you vets can correct em.

Also just to mention I don't intend on carrying out the cycle for maybe a few months but
I am travelling to Thailand soon and want to stock up on the goodies.

Alcohol Swabs x 100.
23-25 gauge, 1-1.5 inch needles x 60.
Test E 30ml
Arimidex 15mg
Clomid 2000mg
Nolva 1000mg

WK 1-12 Test E-500MG...... 250mg Every 3.5 Days, Mon and Thurs.
Wk 1-14 Arimidex ...... .25mg EOD
Wk 14-18 Clomid ...... 75/75/50/50mg ED
Wk 14-18 Nolvadex ...... 40/40/20/20mg ED


I have read about hCG being taken (250iu twice a week) but it sounds like a lot of hassle mixing etc with my lack of experience, is it really necessary?

Also have read about 600mg NAC daily and wonder if this is necessary.
A lot of cycles I have researched about have not bothered with these last two options but what are peoples thoughts?

What doses do arimidex and clomid and nolva tabs come in?
Should I buy Raloxifene and Letro incase of a gyno side effect,
I don't expect it but if it does happen I wouldn't know where to look here in Australia.

Any other pointers would be greatly appreciated.

[derekkpapa1]

Yes use hcg it is easy to use-first time mixing it and using you will see.
Why not be safe ?
Cycle looks good you did do your research props to you.
Clomid usually comes in 50 tabs nolva in 10 tabs
Liver support can be used all the time but not a necessity unless using a oral but again why not be safe

[fit2bOld]

Layout looks good. HCG on cycle has a great benefit when it come to the recovery phase. 250iu 2x week.
You did not include your stats so the cycle looks good but are you ready physically.

[Buster Brown]

This being your first you want to make sure your body fat is 15% or less. This goes for cutting as well as bulking.

[jdc91gt]

Add the hCG and you'll be good to go! Best of luck.

[goin4itall]

Good looking first cycle. Definitely add the hcg. You'll be glad you did.

[VegasBody]

Thailand or Australia?

[Iron-56]

HCG IMHO Should not be used for first cycles because how will you know if you are/how sensitive to HPTA suppression/shutdown

[MuscleInk]

HCG IMHO Should not be used for first cycles because how will you know if you are/how sensitive to HPTA suppression/shutdown

That makes no sense. HCG should be part of every cycle. It mimics LH through a similar, albeit slightly different molecular pathway to maintain the functional health of leydig cells during HTPA suppression.

[juicerat69]

Thanks for the responses. Sounds like the majority recommend hCG so I will also try get my hands on this.
I see in another post it mixes with bacteriostatic water or something like that.
Is this freely available in Australia and is it the easiest/only thing to mix with hCG?
0.9% sodium chloride solution I have read elsewhere whatever that is!!

Thailand or Australia, I dont understand your question?

Liver support such as what and for what reason? I didn't think that was needed on a cycle such as this.

[thephoenix25]

I overlooked bacteriostatic water thinking I could get it anywhere and then panicked because I couldn't buy it where I got my gear from. Meant I had to delay starting. It should be easy enough to source, but pharmacies don't tend to have this stuff just lying around. Outside of steroid use it isn't used for much else. depending on what country you are from as to whether you need a script for it (or at least a good excuse lol). There are many websites that sell this stuff in the US and probably other countries (but not where I live).

0.9% sodium chloride solution is bacteriostatic water = sterile water with 0.9% sodium chloride.
means the water is more bacteria resistant than plain sterile water, it needs to be because you'll be keeping it in your fridge for weeks.

Other forms of bac water come with benzyl alcohol instead of the sodium chloride, but I don't have any experience with this type.

Good luck and nice cycle

[juicerat69]

Regarding stats. I'm probably not "ready" but I'm 31 yrs old almost and have always been fit with lowish body fat percentage but not what you would call strong. I am looking to bulk up a bit but also stay quite lean. I'm 5'8" 74kg(163ibs) and I don't know my body fat but I will get it checked before cycle and will start my cycle going on this.

[juicerat69]

Ok so I'm in Bangkok. Here is a pic of the test, Arimidex, nolvadex and clomid.

There are not as many pharmacy as I thought that would sell the stuff.
But it still was relatively easy to get after a bit of online searching in the Sukhumvit area.
Supposedly Pattaya is a hotspot for anything you want but I won't be travelling there..

I asked for hCG but she said company that used to make it expired is what I gather from her broken English.
I will try other pharmacies for this maybe I will get lucky and also for bacteriostatic water, How much of this should i need?

Here is a breakdown of the prices I paid for anyone interested and anyone planning to do some shopping in Thailand.
I don't know if I got overcharged I probably did but its good to have something to compare to if you go to no price talk. Dont post again until you read our rules

My planned .25mg Arimidex EOD is not really an option now with these tablets size and potency, what are my options in this case?

[lovbyts]

Ok so I'm in Bangkok and have gotten the test, Arimidex, nolvadex and clomid,
As shown in the pic if I managed to attach it correctly.

There are not as many pharmacy as I thought that would sell gear
But it still was relatively easy to get after a bit of online searching in the Sukhumvit area. Supposedly Pattaya is a hotspot for anything you want.

I asked for hCG but she said company that used to make it expired is what I gather from her broken English.

That it is

[thephoenix25]

My planned .25mg Arimidex EOD is not really an option now with these tablets size and potency, what are my options in this case?

I have the same. Open the cap, empty onto a flat surface, divide into 4 with a card or razor blade, wet the tip of your finger and dab the powder onto your finger and swallow it. Kinda like you would with other white powders *cough*
I have a shallow plastic box with a lid that I split it up in and then I can seal it so it doesn't get contaminated over time.

[juicerat69]

So I got so hCG. no price talk. Please read our rulesfor 15000 iu in 5000iu containers.
Comes with 3 1ml amps for mixing. I planned on having 250iu twice a week
Can this be achieved by this mixing ratio. Works out at .05ml per 250iu by
My calculations, is this correct or can such a small figure be administered?
Should I up the dosage to 500iu twice a week or even weekly instead?

[thephoenix25]

In my experience the water that comes with it is just sterile water, you need bac water for it to last long enough without risk of infection.

[juicerat69]

Ok sorry I won't mention prices again.
This Is not just sterile water. It's says
Sodium chloride .9%
Benzyl alcohol .9% also.

Bacteriostatic sodium chloride injection usp

[thephoenix25]

Glad it is bac water you have, but I would recommend you try to find more.

I mixed my 5000iu with 2ml = 0.1ml injections, which if I'm honest is do-able but measuring it out is a little tricky and I can't help thinking that the amount left in the syringe is wasteful. IMO 0.05ml is too small.

From what I understand you need to keep the dose at 250iu 2 times per week, if you raise it to 500iu 2 times a week the leydig cells are over desensitized and behave in much the same way as under stimulated.

If you haven't read it, this is a good article written by Austinite
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[thephoenix25]

I also found that asking for bacteriostatic water resulted in the shop assistant giving me a blank look and then shaking their head and saying no. When I spoke to a doctor (in Malaysia) he referred to bac water as simply "injection water". I think the word bacteriostatic gets lost in translation out here. The next pharmacy I went in to and asked for injection water presented me with some, I just checked that the solution contained 0.9% sodium chloride.

Hope this helps in your search.