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06-11-2014, 10:51 PM #1New Member
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First cycle advice.. Test e 500mg and maybe dbol?
Hey everyone I am new to the forum.
I have been lifting for ~7 years on and off. I used to be extremely overweight ~230-240. I cut the weight and leaned up alot, then I clean bulked. Then, In 2010 I ran a cycle of mass tabs, in 2011 I ran a cycle of H-drol, and I am currently in the middle of a helladrol cycle. In all of those cycles I used proper PCT.
Remember guys, I am here to learn and get advice, nothing here is set in stone.
I am ~6'4" about 207lbs 25 years old ~6% BF. My diet is clean, I am eating right around my maintenance calories for the summer (3200-3500). I am not trying to bulk up and I don't really need to cut. However, after the summer I would like to have a injectable cycle prepared and ready to run throughout the colder months for a bulk. I plan on eating roughly 4500-5k calories when I am on the gear.
I know I want to run test e 500mg 2x250mg a week for atleast 12 weeks. I will have HCG ,nolva, and aromasin for the cycle.
My question is should I incorporate dbol in the cycle since I am so damn tall. I am a hard gainer, and I am unsure if test alone will help me pack on size. My potential cycle will look something like this
Week 1-12
Test e (Sat and Thus) 250mg 2xweek
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Week 1-4
dbol?
Week 4-12 (possibly 2-12?)
HCG 2x250ui with injections of test (probably subq)
Week 15-18
PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/10
Clomid ( is this needed since I am running aromasin and HCG)
I was gonna post pics but I don't have 25 post. Sorry
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06-12-2014, 12:24 AM #2New Member
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Any particular reason to put your Test-e days on Thursday and Saturday?
Why did you decide to run HCG on-cycle? Usually it's saved for PCT.
Personally I prefer Clomid over Nolva because it's easier on the liver, but it's not a significant difference.
Dbol would certainly help kick-start your cycle, but I wouldnt recommend going over 30mg/day- especially for a first cycle. With Dbol you'll have liver toxicity effects to worry about, as well as cholesterol problems so make sure you are on some sort of gear support.
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06-12-2014, 12:30 AM #3
Both of you should read this
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html
HCG is very much used on cycle.
Both clomid and nolva should be used in pct.
Test only for a first cycle. If you're a 'hard gainer' then you need to eat more food not take more drugs.
OP even if you are 6% bodyfat you are still light for your height. I'd suggest you try and gain some lbs naturally first else it's likely you will lose whatever you may gain on cycle. Get your diet in order and the gains will come.Last edited by Back In Black; 06-12-2014 at 12:33 AM.
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06-12-2014, 12:31 AM #4Junior Member
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06-12-2014, 04:19 AM #5
Agree with BiB for sure. Ditch the dbol ; add clomid. Best of luck!
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06-12-2014, 04:30 AM #7"ARs Pork Eating Crusader"
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06-12-2014, 09:12 AM #8New Member
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Thanks guys. As soon as I hit 25 posts I will get some pictures up.
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06-12-2014, 09:16 AM #9New Member
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I was planning on getting some clomid for the nolva in pct but some people say only use one. I realize that nolva blocks the receptor for estrogen while clomid helps restores htpa function. So it makes sense to use them both.
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06-12-2014, 04:26 PM #10New Member
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06-12-2014, 06:44 PM #11
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately U R Not 6%
....9 maybe but look dam good
That 6% is really hard to keep on and live a normal life
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06-12-2014, 08:02 PM #12
8-10% bf u look awesome bro. The dbol will be useless after u stop taking it. You won't keep your gains from it. I've ran it before and I'm tall also. *6'2). Sounds like you have used some PH but still...one of the best solid foundations I've seen in a while. You could possibly go far. Good luck with your cycle bro
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06-13-2014, 09:57 PM #13New Member
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Thanks guys. A trainer at my gym did the caliper test on my and the calipers read 2.8% (which i knew wasn't true) so she pretty much guessed I was around 6. When I do ab work my stomach gets extremely vascular. Either way, I agree i have been scowering through logs of people taking test, and I have yet to find one person that has as good of a base to start from just to compare their results to what I could get.
Just imagine if I was 230-240 at this BF
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06-13-2014, 10:04 PM #14New Member
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