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    First cycle advice.. Test e 500mg and maybe dbol?

    Hey everyone I am new to the forum.

    I have been lifting for ~7 years on and off. I used to be extremely overweight ~230-240. I cut the weight and leaned up alot, then I clean bulked. Then, In 2010 I ran a cycle of mass tabs, in 2011 I ran a cycle of H-drol, and I am currently in the middle of a helladrol cycle. In all of those cycles I used proper PCT.

    Remember guys, I am here to learn and get advice, nothing here is set in stone.

    I am ~6'4" about 207lbs 25 years old ~6% BF. My diet is clean, I am eating right around my maintenance calories for the summer (3200-3500). I am not trying to bulk up and I don't really need to cut. However, after the summer I would like to have a injectable cycle prepared and ready to run throughout the colder months for a bulk. I plan on eating roughly 4500-5k calories when I am on the gear.

    I know I want to run test e 500mg 2x250mg a week for atleast 12 weeks. I will have HCG ,nolva, and aromasin for the cycle.

    My question is should I incorporate dbol in the cycle since I am so damn tall. I am a hard gainer, and I am unsure if test alone will help me pack on size. My potential cycle will look something like this

    Week 1-12
    Test e (Sat and Thus) 250mg 2xweek
    Aromasin 12.5mg eod

    Week 1-4
    dbol?

    Week 4-12 (possibly 2-12?)
    HCG 2x250ui with injections of test (probably subq)

    Week 15-18
    PCT
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    Clomid ( is this needed since I am running aromasin and HCG)

    I was gonna post pics but I don't have 25 post. Sorry

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    Any particular reason to put your Test-e days on Thursday and Saturday?

    Why did you decide to run HCG on-cycle? Usually it's saved for PCT.
    Personally I prefer Clomid over Nolva because it's easier on the liver, but it's not a significant difference.
    Dbol would certainly help kick-start your cycle, but I wouldnt recommend going over 30mg/day- especially for a first cycle. With Dbol you'll have liver toxicity effects to worry about, as well as cholesterol problems so make sure you are on some sort of gear support.

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    Both of you should read this

    http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

    HCG is very much used on cycle.

    Both clomid and nolva should be used in pct.

    Test only for a first cycle. If you're a 'hard gainer' then you need to eat more food not take more drugs.

    OP even if you are 6% bodyfat you are still light for your height. I'd suggest you try and gain some lbs naturally first else it's likely you will lose whatever you may gain on cycle. Get your diet in order and the gains will come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundercats View Post
    Any particular reason to put your Test-e days on Thursday and Saturday?

    Why did you decide to run HCG on-cycle? Usually it's saved for PCT.
    Personally I prefer Clomid over Nolva because it's easier on the liver, but it's not a significant difference.
    Dbol would certainly help kick-start your cycle, but I wouldnt recommend going over 30mg/day- especially for a first cycle. With Dbol you'll have liver toxicity effects to worry about, as well as cholesterol problems so make sure you are on some sort of gear support.
    I think its the other way round bro.

    Also...Nolva/Clomi work together also from what I understand so...
    Last edited by Grandeur; 06-12-2014 at 12:57 AM.

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    Agree with BiB for sure. Ditch the dbol ; add clomid. Best of luck!

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    Run clomid and nov for pct. Use hcg all the way through the cycle until 3 days prior to pct. dbol is optional, you really SHOULD just use tes alone and learn how your body responds.

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    First cycle advice.. Test e 500mg and maybe dbol?-image.jpg

    Are you really 6%?

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    Thanks guys. As soon as I hit 25 posts I will get some pictures up.

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    I was planning on getting some clomid for the nolva in pct but some people say only use one. I realize that nolva blocks the receptor for estrogen while clomid helps restores htpa function. So it makes sense to use them both.

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    Unfortunately or maybe fortunately U R Not 6%
    ....9 maybe but look dam good
    That 6% is really hard to keep on and live a normal life

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    8-10% bf u look awesome bro. The dbol will be useless after u stop taking it. You won't keep your gains from it. I've ran it before and I'm tall also. *6'2). Sounds like you have used some PH but still...one of the best solid foundations I've seen in a while. You could possibly go far. Good luck with your cycle bro

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    Thanks guys. A trainer at my gym did the caliper test on my and the calipers read 2.8% (which i knew wasn't true) so she pretty much guessed I was around 6. When I do ab work my stomach gets extremely vascular. Either way, I agree i have been scowering through logs of people taking test, and I have yet to find one person that has as good of a base to start from just to compare their results to what I could get.

    Just imagine if I was 230-240 at this BF

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    This shows more of the vascularity. I definitely thought I was lower than 8-10% Guess I was wrong, and sorry in advance for the underwear shot. I didn't feel like editing it.

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    Do exactly what BIB said.
    You look great with excellent potential.
    Learn to eat and be patient.
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