250mg/wk or 500mg/wk?

[MikeShlort]

Hello.

27 year old white male. 180lbs.

Have some body fat to lose and some strength to gain, but in about 3-5 months I will start my 1st cycle. I already have everything purchased (except hcg and arimidex )

I will be taking Arimidex 25 mcg eod
hcg 250 IU 2x/wk

Then nolvadex and clomid for PCT

What I have is test enanthate . I have enough for 500mg/wk for 12 wks. But I am concerned about my testicles. From what I've read, you can't do less than 12 wks for test enanthate. Correct?

What would you recommend for a 180lb slapper doing a first cycle? 250mg/wk enough? If you take more, does that cause more problems for my testicles? I like my testicles, so anything I can do to spare them damage from this stuff is probably a good idea.

Or should I just do 500mg/wk like it says everywhere?

I only really wanna probably do a couple cycles in my life, so losing my nuts would be pretty shyte. If running less makes a difference, I might choose that.

Thanks!

PS - I am allowed to post pictures of my stuff on this forum, for feedback purposes? Thx

[austinite]

Hey there, white male. Good to know you like your testicles.

Adex must be a typo. You probably meant to say 250 mcg, AKA 0.25 mg.

You can certainly do less than 12 weeks. 250mg won't do much, unless you just want to stave off muscle waste while in a caloric deficit. 500mg is ideal to build muscle. hCG on cycle will help your precious testes.

2 cycles, eh? No such thing, my friend.

Yes, you can post pictures for reference and opinions. Smarter folks block their face with some sort of photoshop. Care to share your current stats for proper advice? Since we don't know your stats, any advice will be random and useless to you.

[David LoPan]

You got a pro answering you OP. Listen to what he has to say. I agree. 250 mg a week will not do anything. What is your height and weight and body fat? that is what he is asking for.

[songdog]

While I say this a lot it needs too be said again.Research bro read our stickys there is a ton of info there that you need to know prior to you running a cycle.After all its your body and you dont want to mess it up.

[MikeShlort]

6ft
180lbs
20 bf%

[MikeShlort]

6ft
180lbs
20 bf%

[Chicagotarsier]

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men | Endocrinology and Metabolism

True experiment

20 weeks with 300-600 mg per week groups

NO weight training

1000 over TDEE diet

55% protein macro

water requirements

This is your baseline results from a first cycle 20-week.

So this will cut off all the "you are too high bf to cycle" stuff lol.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

[URL="http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full"]So this will cut off all the "you are too high bf to cycle" stuff lol.

The reason it is not recommended to cycle with high bodyfat is to avoid or minimize sides.
Generally, people with higher bodyfat have higher blood pressure, higher LDL, and lower HDL.
Steroids will only make these worse.

No-one said people with high bodyfat wouldn't get bigger on steroids.

I am unsure how this study will "cut off all the you are too high bf to cycle stuff".

[Chicagotarsier]

High LDL is High LDL
High Blood Pressure is High Blood Pressure.

You treat them the same no matter what BF you are at. BF increases the likelyhood of having to deal with these "sides" in normal life and cycling. Smoking increases them more than being higher BF. Drinking in the same boat as smoking. Risk factors are risk factors.

If quality of life through chemicals is wrong then it is wrong no matter what your bf% is. AAS impact lipids negatively for EVERYONE, bloodpressure...same, RBC....same, Estrogen ....same. They are BAD for you in those aspects. Low bf% does not save you from them. More severe for higher bf? Everyone is different. Care should be taken no matter what bf% you are at.

Logically if you are 25% bf and follow the results that every person in the study followed (600mg) you would result at 15ish % bf or less. That is no weight lifting (which would minimize the liver and blood issues) and just focus on eating and managing your sides.

So the concluding question would be....

Why would a person be so adverse to helping a person drop 10% bf and making them healthy by their own standards? Thinking you have to kill the gym daily while cycling like Arnold or Coleman is crazy in my mind. You are NEVER going to be them. You are NEVER going to be Mr Olympia. You CANNOT compete in that system. you can only compete against yourself and that is a day in and day out venture...not for once a year review.

I am not talking to those that put it like you do. My thoughts are to those that say..OMG you are wrong to cycle over 15% etc. That is like saying you are too dumb to get educated.

People who smoke, drink, eat empty carbs, etc are all at risk for issues.

The reason it is not recommended to cycle with high bodyfat is to avoid or minimize sides.
Generally, people with higher bodyfat have higher blood pressure, higher LDL, and lower HDL.
Steroids will only make these worse.

No-one said people with high bodyfat wouldn't get bigger on steroids.

I am unsure how this study will "cut off all the you are too high bf to cycle stuff".

[tice1212]

6ft
180lbs
20 bf%

bro with these stats the two things you need is a proper training regiment
and to get your diet in check. Drugs are not going to do anything if those two are not in check.
I think your stats should be at least 6ft, 190, 15% bf before you start any drugs.. you have no solid base right now

[numbere]

Chicagotarsier first I'd like to say that there's no beef here on my end. You raise some valid points in your post with which I'm in agreement. However, I ask you to look at the bigger picture. Beyond increased negative sides and an indication of a lack of dedication in training is the message we're sending out the the readers of this forum. At any given time there are roughly 5,000 people reading the AS Q&A forum. One of the reasons I enjoy being a member here is the general consensus of advocating the safest use of AAS possible. I don't think that we should be encouraging people to cycle at a high BF, eat the correct amount of macros, and put little to no emphasis on training.

[MikeShlort]

As I said in my original post, I plan on starting my cycle 3-5 months from now, when I am back to my 185-190, 15% BF state that I have been for the past 2+ years.

I stopped working out for the first time in 2.5 years because I came to the logical conclusion that steroids will get me to the next level, but then started reading all this stuff about shutting down my nuts forever. So that was very disheartening and I sort of gave up - started smoking kettle, masturbating and eating jalpeno poppers. It also didn't help that I had been getting some free vagina on the side, which also kills motivation.

But now I am sick of not having sex with every woman I see, my love handles have awakened that deep seated self loathing I've come to love and I am back in business.

So by the time I am ready to take this stuff, I will be doing pretty good.

I guess the answer is to go with 500mg/wk, keep on an AI and hcg during cycle, properly use nolva and clomid after cycle and hope that my nuts don't piss off forever.

[MikeShlort]

PS - I've even done that macros bullshit where I calculate everything I eat. I have a good idea of what each meal I make is.

[austinite]

As I said in my original post, I plan on starting my cycle 3-5 months from now, when I am back to my 185-190, 15% BF state that I have been for the past 2+ years.

I stopped working out for the first time in 2.5 years because I came to the logical conclusion that steroids will get me to the next level, but then started reading all this stuff about shutting down my nuts forever. So that was very disheartening and I sort of gave up - started smoking *******, masturbating and eating jalpeno poppers. It also didn't help that I had been getting some free vagina on the side, which also kills motivation.

But now I am sick of not having sex with every woman I see, my love handles have awakened that deep seated self loathing I've come to love and I am back in business.

So by the time I am ready to take this stuff, I will be doing pretty good.

I guess the answer is to go with 500mg/wk, keep on an AI and hcg during cycle, properly use nolva and clomid after cycle and hope that my nuts don't piss off forever.

No drug talk. Edit your post and read the rules.

[MikeShlort]

No drug talk. Edit your post and read the rules.

Yes ma'am.