How Long should i run an AI HCG while on cycle???

[z06vett]

Hey guys, starting to get prepared for my fall cycle.

-I wanted to know how long i need to run an AI on a 15 wk test & 12 wk Deca cycle. Letro has work wonders for me in the past with gyno issue and gave me a dryer look... Haven't has too much success with Amidrex.

I will also add HCG while on cycle

250iu 2x a week = 500iu a week

10 weeks = 5000iu

- Is it best to run the hcg through out the duration on the cycle 15wk??? For the Test and Deca Combo. Any info on this would help

Thanks!

[RangerDanger830]

Yeah I would run the HCG throughout and the AI as well. In addition, not sure if you have thought of this, but I would add a prolactin management compound such as cabergoline to the cycle as well for the deca.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Both from day one of your cycle right up to PCT.

[numbere]

As long as you are introducing exogenous test you need to manage aromatse levels with an AI. Purchase another 2500IU of hCG and use it the entire time on cycle. Theres's no reason not to hCG it's an inexpensive insurance policy. You should have a PA on hand while using a 19nor, but as long as you keep E2 in check with an AI then you shouldn't have to use it.

[Docd187123]

Yeah I would run the HCG throughout and the AI as well. In addition, not sure if you have thought of this, but I would add a prolactin management compound such as cabergoline to the cycle as well for the deca.

Having one on hand maybe a wise idea in case but by and far, those who properly manage E2 will not have and PRL issues. My $.02

[MuscleInk]

Having one on hand maybe a wise idea in case but by and far, those who lropey manage E2 will not have and PRL issues. My $.02

Correct. Don't mess with DAs unless you have to.

[Docd187123]

Correct. Don't mess with DAs unless you have to.

DAWS or dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I know you and I touched upon it briefly in the past. I'm glad you're a part of these forums MI, sometimes I'm in awe of the knowledge you possess. Now Austin will be in to tell us to get a room in 5....4....3...2....

[MuscleInk]

DAWS or dopamine agonist withdrawal syndrome. I know you and I touched upon it briefly in the past. I'm glad you're a part of these forums MI, sometimes I'm in awe of the knowledge you possess. Now Austin will be in to tell us to get a room in 5....4....3...2....

What many don't realize too, is that the starting dose most use for a cycle (0.125mg) is the same dose I prescribe for managing Parkinson's disease and RLS.

Food for thought.

[z06vett]

Thanks guys for all of that info.....

Now for an AI, I prefer Letro, Its kept the gyno down and has giving me a dryer look (no bloat on test, although i was on Tren too so I'm sure that had something to do with the dryer look) Anyhow.... Do you guys foresee an issue, using Letro for damn near 15 wk for the entire cycle of test. If so what should the dose be. The brand of letro i get 2.5 and can't be split more than once. The pills are too small. So ill be taking 1.25.

Should i take 1.25ed 1.25eod. How should that play out?

[numbere]

Have you had BW done pre and mid cycle?

If you have gyno symptoms you should use a SERM. An AI is used to prevent symptoms from ever being an issue. Letro is too powerful for most people as 0.25mg or less tends to suppress 0.98%+ of E2. Everyone is different when it comes to E2 serum levels and you may very will require a high dosage of letro to keep your E2 in range. Letro has a half life of 40 hours so you should be fine with EOD dosage. Some people never feel side effects from having too high or too low E2. This is why BW is paramount. We are only making educated guesses unless you have BW to know for sure.

[z06vett]

Have you had BW done pre and mid cycle?

If you have gyno symptoms you should use a SERM. An AI is used to prevent symptoms from ever being an issue. Letro is too powerful for most people as 0.25mg or less tends to suppress 0.98%+ of E2. Everyone is different when it comes to E2 serum levels and you may very will require a high dosage of letro to keep your E2 in range. Letro has a half life of 40 hours so you should be fine with EOD dosage. Some people never feel side effects from having too high or too low E2. This is why BW is paramount. We are only making educated guesses unless you have BW to know for sure.

What serum do you recommend to use while on cycle. Ive always used serum, for PCT.

[numbere]

You can use nolvadex or raloxifene on/off cycle to treat gyno symptoms. If you don't have gyno then you shouldn't use one on cycle. Ralox is better at treating gyno because it has a higher binding affinity for E2 receptors in breast tissue.

[z06vett]

You can use nolvadex or raloxifene on/off cycle to treat gyno symptoms. If you don't have gyno then you shouldn't use one on cycle. Ralox is better at treating gyno because it has a higher binding affinity for E2 receptors in breast tissue.

Good info Numbere, I assume to treat the gyno you would use the Serum until the gyno is manageable. Then discontinue and pick back up when its time for PCT. Correct??? I will have my blood work done before and after, never really have gotten it done while on cycle. Because the results were apparent and wasn't really have any unusual side effects. Expect on a high dose of tren. I had night sweats a few times a month, so i drop the dose.

[numbere]

Good info Numbere, I assume to treat the gyno you would use the Serum until the gyno is manageable. Then discontinue and pick back up when its time for PCT. Correct??? I will have my blood work done before and after, never really have gotten it done while on cycle. Because the results were apparent and wasn't really have any unusual side effects. Expect on a high dose of tren. I had night sweats a few times a month, so i drop the dose.

Yes continue taking the SERM until gyno disappears. You should expect 8+ weeks for a full recovery and will likely need to continue taking up to and through PCT. You should read this thread for a more complete explanation.

Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesterone Management + Gynecomastia Prevention & Reversal

[epixs]

What many don't realize too, is that the starting dose most use for a cycle (0.125mg) is the same dose I prescribe for managing Parkinson's disease and RLS.

Food for thought.

a neurologist on this type of forum , mirin.

[MuscleInk]

a neurologist on this type of forum , mirin.

We have members with various backgrounds, education, and experience to offer.

That's what makes this board top notch!

[epixs]

We have members with various backgrounds, education, and experience to offer.

That's what makes this board top notch!

Good to know, mad respect to members with that kind of knowledge taking time out to help.

[z06vett]

Thanks for y'all help, very useful info. And cleared some confusion.