Results 1 to 14 of 14
  1. #1
    folly is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    5

    Tren and test cyp

    Hey all,

    I have currently done a 10 week cycle of tren and test cyp, I was planning on doing the cycle a little bit longer, but I had to stop it due to other reasons.

    My cycle looked like this

    Week 1-10
    Tren ace 50mg eod
    Test cypionate 100mg E4D
    N2Guard 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime

    The gains these 10 weeks have been great and no serious side effects!

    The thing now is that I am going to start with my PCT, this is how it looks like now and I would appriciate feedback I was planning on starting 3 days after last pin

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20
    Arimidex : 12,5mg (unsure about how long)
    N2guard: 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime
    Unleashed

    Any feedback on the PCT would be appriciated, planning on doing my last injection this week. Thanks!

  2. #2
    MuscleInk's Avatar
    MuscleInk is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Location
    A rock & a hard place
    Posts
    13,449
    Quote Originally Posted by folly View Post
    Hey all,

    I have currently done a 10 week cycle of tren and test cyp, I was planning on doing the cycle a little bit longer, but I had to stop it due to other reasons.

    My cycle looked like this

    Week 1-10
    Tren ace 50mg eod
    Test cypionate 100mg E4D
    N2Guard 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime

    The gains these 10 weeks have been great and no serious side effects!

    The thing now is that I am going to start with my PCT, this is how it looks like now and I would appriciate feedback I was planning on starting 3 days after last pin

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20
    Arimidex : 12,5mg (unsure about how long)
    N2guard: 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime
    Unleashed

    Any feedback on the PCT would be appriciated, planning on doing my last injection this week. Thanks!
    You don't run an AI post cycle. You should have run it ON cycle. The whole purpose is to limit aromatization of testosterone to estrogen. Elevated serum estrogen in men can have adverse effects on your heart, prostate, immune function and more. Many of these adverse events won't reveal themselves until it's too late (a blood clot won't let you know of an impending ischemic event).

    What about a dopamine agonist? You didn't control your serum estrogen and running tren with elevated estrogen will increase your serum prolactin which can be far more dangerous than elevated estrogen.

    No HCG ? So why would you not chose to keep your leydig cells firing during your cycle? Healthy leydig cells will increase your chances of recovery post cycle. Without HCG you may be producing the testosterone levels of a woman post cycle.

    PCT is nolvadex and clomiphene.

    Let's hope you haven't done any permanent damage to yourself.

    Be smart and get blood work done ASAP.

  3. #3
    itsjayman02's Avatar
    itsjayman02 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    England
    Posts
    931
    Quote Originally Posted by folly View Post
    Hey all,

    I have currently done a 10 week cycle of tren and test cyp, I was planning on doing the cycle a little bit longer, but I had to stop it due to other reasons.

    My cycle looked like this

    Week 1-10
    Tren ace 50mg eod
    Test cypionate 100mg E4D
    N2Guard 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime

    The gains these 10 weeks have been great and no serious side effects!

    The thing now is that I am going to start with my PCT, this is how it looks like now and I would appriciate feedback I was planning on starting 3 days after last pin

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25
    Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20
    Arimidex : 12,5mg (unsure about how long)
    N2guard: 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime
    Unleashed

    Any feedback on the PCT would be appriciated, planning on doing my last injection this week. Thanks!
    This should have been planned in conjunction with your AAs

    Arimidex is dosed usually dosed in 1mg.....but it should have been taken on cycle!!

    Also you have test c which is a long ester so pct starts 14-21 days after last pin!!

  4. #4
    Stosh_112's Avatar
    Stosh_112 is offline Productive Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    PA
    Posts
    990
    ^^^^^ 14 days to start pct after last Enath pin.

  5. #5
    PBJtime's Avatar
    PBJtime is offline Associate Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Posts
    155
    Bro I'm on the same right now at week 6 with cyp 250 wk & tren ace 75 eod and you definitely need a AI along with some prami if you decide to run another cycle with these compounds . I hope you coming off goes well !

  6. #6
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,109
    Quote Originally Posted by folly View Post
    Any feedback on the PCT would be appriciated, planning on doing my last injection this week. Thanks!
    OP Your clomid dosages should look similar to 100/50/50/50. PCT should begin 14 days after last pin when using a long ester test. Also, an AI should not be used during PCT, it's unnecessary as serum levels have dropped. Eat more calories to support your new tissue.

    AAS Tips on Keeping Gains for the Moderate User


    Quote Originally Posted by itsjayman02 View Post
    Arimidex is dosed usually dosed in 1mg.....but it should have been taken on cycle!!
    The recommended baseline dosage for dex is 0.25-0.5mg/EOD, have BW halfway through cycle, then adjust accordingly. 1mg will likely crash most people's E2.

  7. #7
    folly is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    5
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    You don't run an AI post cycle. You should have run it ON cycle. The whole purpose is to limit aromatization of testosterone to estrogen. Elevated serum estrogen in men can have adverse effects on your heart, prostate, immune function and more. Many of these adverse events won't reveal themselves until it's too late (a blood clot won't let you know of an impending ischemic event).

    What about a dopamine agonist? You didn't control your serum estrogen and running tren with elevated estrogen will increase your serum prolactin which can be far more dangerous than elevated estrogen.

    No HCG ? So why would you not chose to keep your leydig cells firing during your cycle? Healthy leydig cells will increase your chances of recovery post cycle. Without HCG you may be producing the testosterone levels of a woman post cycle.

    PCT is nolvadex and clomiphene.

    Let's hope you haven't done any permanent damage to yourself.

    Be smart and get blood work done ASAP.
    Thanks for the feedback,

    I have HCG 5000IU.

    Nolvadex, Clomid, Unleashed and N2Guard for Pct? What is your guys thougts?

  8. #8
    itsjayman02's Avatar
    itsjayman02 is offline Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    England
    Posts
    931
    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post

    OP Your clomid dosages should look similar to 100/50/50/50. PCT should begin 14 days after last pin when using a long ester test. Also, an AI should not be used during PCT, it's unnecessary as serum levels have dropped. Eat more calories to support your new tissue.

    AAS Tips on Keeping Gains for the Moderate User

    The recommended baseline dosage for dex is 0.25-0.5mg/EOD, have BW halfway through cycle, then adjust accordingly. 1mg will likely crash most people's E2.
    I was quoting they come in 1mg tablets and yes .25-0.5mg every other day is the correct dosage!!

  9. #9
    folly is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    5
    Quote Originally Posted by itsjayman02 View Post
    I was quoting they come in 1mg tablets and yes .25-0.5mg every other day is the correct dosage!!
    Im not taking dex since I am done with the cycle right? I was wondering about the best PCT for recovery

  10. #10
    folly is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    5
    So my PCT will be

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25/25/25
    Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20/20/20
    N2guard: 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime
    Unleashed

    But I am unsure when I should start cause i did 50MG tren ace eod and 100mg test cyp e4d. Isn't the cyp at such a low level that I should start when the ace clears? What do you guys think?

  11. #11
    folly is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    5
    The PCT calculator said I should start at day 8

  12. #12
    Back In Black's Avatar
    Back In Black is offline Beach Bodybuilder ~Elite-Hall of Fame~
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Blighty
    Posts
    17,182
    Ask your question in our PCT section. I suspect your answer will be 14 days but Jim will look after you over there.
    NO SOURCES GIVEN

  13. #13
    NACH3's Avatar
    NACH3 is offline VET
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Baking chicken
    Posts
    19,418
    Blog Entries
    2

    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by folly View Post
    So my PCT will be

    Clomid: 50/50/25/25/25/25
    Nolvadex : 40/20/20/20/20/20
    N2guard: 2 caps morning, 2 evening, 3 bedtime
    Unleashed

    But I am unsure when I should start cause i did 50MG tren ace eod and 100mg test cyp e4d. Isn't the cyp at such a low level that I should start when the ace clears? What do you guys think?
    As numbere & muscle ink stated above... You also shouldn't run hCG for PCT - as it's Main purpose is to help you recover faster by taking it on cycle and to help your leydig cells recover/keep in check during your cycle not after as w/hCG during PCT will only slow your recovery! ... And no AI DURING PCT either... 14 days after last pin of Test Cyp... Is when you should start your PCT! Clomid - 100/50/50/50 coupled with Nolvadex - 40/40/20/20...

    Good luck my man!!!

  14. #14
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    30,121
    On point advice above but I'll add this...

    As the op did mistakenly did not run HCG during his cycle he could easily insert it in the period from his last injection up to about 3 days prior to pct starting. Any is better than none at this point and will prime his testies for pct.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •