pin size and length? have i been doing it all wrong?

ive always used 25g 5/8 mainly in my triceps and some times in my quads. now im hearing thats this is way too short that i should be using a 1.5 inch needle. WOW! that seems very long. im not a huge dude and my legs and arms arnt that big either. i also see that alote of different opinions are floating around on the gauge of the pin as well. what does everybody recommend? please take into consideration my quads are 21 inches around. how long of a pin is too long and is there ever any risk of going too far into the muscle maybe even thru it? ive never had any problems with my 5/8 pins. expect a lil pip in the quad area.

thanks guys for you patience.

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

ive always used 25g 5/8 mainly in my triceps and some times in my quads. now im hearing thats this is way too short that i should be using a 1.5 inch needle. WOW! that seems very long. im not a huge dude and my legs and arms arnt that big either. i also see that alote of different opinions are floating around on the gauge of the pin as well. what does everybody recommend? please take into consideration my quads are 21 inches around. how long of a pin is too long and is there ever any risk of going too far into the muscle maybe even thru it? ive never had any problems with my 5/8 pins. expect a lil pip in the quad area.

thanks guys for you patience.

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1 inch, 25 is standard. 1.5 inch for guys with higher bf (greater than 12% approximately).

5/8 is a little short. You're likely hitting the top of the muscle.

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Originally Posted by MuscleInk

1 inch, 25 is standard. 1.5 inch for guys with higher bf (greater than 12% approximately).

5/8 is a little short. You're likely hitting the top of the muscle.

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and with a 1 inch needle, i assume i would inject the entire 1 inch into the muscle correct? or like i have heard 90% in, 10% out.

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

and with a 1 inch needle, i assume i would inject the entire 1 inch into the muscle correct? or like i have heard 90% in, 10% out.

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I always go full depth, however, I have 18 years experience with drawing or pushing substances. Some people prefer the 1 1/2 inch so they can leave 10% of the needle exposed. This usually stems from a fear that the needle would break off in the skin and be difficult to retrieve. It's a matter of preference. If you are comfortable pushing the entire length of the needle into the muscle, 1 inch will suffice. If you are concerned about a needle detachment, 1 1/2 inch leaving about 1/4 of the needle exposed would work.

For leaner areas (triceps, biceps), I have used 5/8 but feel its just too anterior/superficial to the fascia and only use 1 inch for all areas now (pecs, triceps, biceps, traps, glutes, quads, delts).

Quads are tricky and scare off many people. It's easier to hit a nerve in the quads relative to other areas but hitting a nerve will do little harm. The muscle usually twitches and that freaks people out. I hit a nerve in the quad a few times a year. I can usually avoid them, but every so often I hit one.

I would follow MI's advice^^^ Experience there. I've only pinned glutes, have used 1.5 23g only, sink it all the way in, and have been fine. I'm around 12-13% bf, but I have a thick butt. If I were to pin delts or quads, I would go with the 1". Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by MuscleInk

1 inch, 25 is standard. 1.5 inch for guys with higher bf (greater than 12% approximately).

5/8 is a little short. You're likely hitting the top of the muscle.

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Agreed... I'm only 181lbs 5'10"; and in my tri's and delts I use 23g 1" and in glutes or thighs I use 23g 1.5" pins to get it deeper in the muscle! But my BF% is about 8%(give/take .5%)... So as MuscleInk states 5/8" us small - IMO I wouldn't use anything under an. 1"! 25g us ok but the needle length should be at minimum 1" depending on BF% and Muscle size!!

What's your BF%?? Stats??

Have a good one my man ... Hope Mathis clears things up buddy!

[QUOTE=MuscleInk;6893383]I always go full depth, however, I have 18 years experience with drawing or pushing substances. Some people prefer the 1 1/2 inch so they can leave 10% of the needle exposed. This usually stems from a fear that the needle would break off in the skin and be difficult to retrieve. It's a matter of preference. If you are comfortable pushing the entire length of the needle into the muscle, 1 inch will suffice. If you are concerned about a needle detachment, 1 1/2 inch leaving about 1/4 of the needle exposed would work.

For leaner areas (triceps, biceps), I have used 5/8 but feel its just too anterior/superficial to the fascia and only use 1 inch for all areas now (pecs, triceps, biceps, traps, glutes, quads, delts).

Quads are tricky and scare off many people. It's easier to hit a nerve in the quads relative to other areas but hitting a nerve will do little harm. The muscle usually twitches and that freaks people out. I hit a nerve in the quad a few times a year. I can usually avoid them, but every so often I hit one.[/QUOTE

Dayum MuscleInk...

If that's you on avatar... You look 28yrs young...
Just figured even if it's not you still probly look like 30 tops... Lol

Help keep teaching this new generation... And getting away from the quick fix as I like to call it!!! Thanks for your wealth of knowledge as well!!

sweet deal guys! thanks for the info.

I use 28 gauge 5/8 inch slin pins for every injection. I've been doing it this way for 6 years with zero issues so far. I rotate among glutes, quads, and delts.

The only limitation with these is that I can't inject more than 1 cc at a time. That's not an issue with TRT and low dose cycles.

28 gauge??? damn thats lil are you injecting IM or SubQ

I use 1.5's for everything. On glutes and quads I go full depth, on delts and arms I go only about an inch deep.

how thick are my actual glutes and quads? like 1.5 inch needle im a small dude I cant see my quads more so being anymore than maybe 2" thick..........Am I wrong? has anyone every went thru a muscle before?

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

how thick are my actual glutes and quads? like 1.5 inch needle im a small dude I cant see my quads more so being anymore than maybe 2" thick..........Am I wrong? has anyone every went thru a muscle before?

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Unless you're cachexic, your aren't going to pass through a muscle.

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

28 gauge??? damn thats lil are you injecting IM or SubQ

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IM with quads and delts. My legs and shoulders are really lean. It doesn't always make it into the muscle with glute injections, but it doesn't matter. Subq shots work just as well as IM if you aren't injecting large amounts.

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Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Unless you're cachexic, your aren't going to pass through a muscle.

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In case anyone wondered:

Cachexia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[QUOTE=kelkel;6894143]In case anyone wondered:



hahahaha i already googled it

I don't see a need to go more than 1" into quads unless you have really high bf but then you shouldn't even be cycling if that's the case. 25G 1" pin is my weapon of choice.

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

how thick are my actual glutes and quads? like 1.5 inch needle im a small dude I cant see my quads more so being anymore than maybe 2" thick..........Am I wrong? has anyone every went thru a muscle before?

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What's your results been like in the past w/a 5/8" needle length?? And if that's IM then 1" will get you deeper into the muscle(better absorption)!

Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by nickstadx

ive always used 25g 5/8 mainly in my triceps and some times in my quads. now im hearing thats this is way too short that i should be using a 1.5 inch needle. WOW! that seems very long. im not a huge dude and my legs and arms arnt that big either. i also see that alote of different opinions are floating around on the gauge of the pin as well. what does everybody recommend? please take into consideration my quads are 21 inches around. how long of a pin is too long and is there ever any risk of going too far into the muscle maybe even thru it? ive never had any problems with my 5/8 pins. expect a lil pip in the quad area.

thanks guys for you patience.

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Some people who are very lean can get by will smaller pins but 1" is as small
as I would go. AAS are meant to be injected DEEP IM.

I use 2/3", 22g for delts only. No problems for me. And 20g, 1" for glutes also no problems here either!

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Originally Posted by kelkel

In case anyone wondered:

Cachexia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I thought by now you were scholary enough to know all these big words. ;)