How important is Keto with albuterol

[dk94]

Will Albuterol lose its efficacy after two weeks with out keto? Or will the dosage have to be raised to an amount that would make the use of Keto a more financially viable option?

[davesah1]

I wouldn't run for more than two weeks with or without keto. Keto will make for a quicker recovery by up regulating your beta receptors faster that have been down regulated by the albuterol.
Maybe you could push for 3 since its albuterol with keto assuming your using it and not abusing it, but clen I would only ever do 2 weeks on.

Personally I have never used it, I just deal with the 2-3 grogginess, no biggie. Caffeine is a lot cheaper to get your through it.

[Shadeed]

Albuterol half-life is approximately 6 hours, i don't think that keto is needed with Albuterol, if you take your last dose no later than 6-7Pm then i believe that there would be no issue. I used it more than 2 consecutive weeks many times with no issue.

[davesah1]

Albuterol half-life is approximately 6 hours, i don't think that keto is needed with Albuterol, if you take your last dose no later than 6-7Pm then i believe that there would be no issue. I used it more than 2 consecutive weeks many times with no issue.

No diminishing returns/results? No crashy tired like feeling when coming off? (For over two weeks of use)
I've never ran it, just clen but its pretty much same mechanism of action just shorter acting so deff less desensitization. By my 12th day on clen the dose starts to make me feel feel a little different from normal and sweats diminish. Not like the albut is still at full force when your sleeping. Interesting and logical. Only dudes that I know who care about keto are those taking clen for longer than recommend. I wouldn't worry about it on albut like shadeed said, especially if your using it for two weeks.

[tice1212]

No diminishing returns/results? No crashy tired like feeling when coming off? (For over two weeks of use)
I've never ran it, just clen but its pretty much same mechanism of action just shorter acting so deff less desensitization. By my 12th day on clen the dose starts to make me feel feel a little different from normal and sweats diminish. Not like the albut is still at full force when your sleeping. Interesting and logical. Only dudes that I know who care about keto are those taking clen for longer than recommend. I wouldn't worry about it on albut like shadeed said, especially if your using it for two weeks.

would you say albuterol is a weaker version of clen ?

[davesah1]

would you say albuterol is a weaker version of clen?

I wouldn't say its weaker if you take comparable doseages. IDK what 80-100mcgs of clen is in terms of albut doseage. I see it as it's only weaker if you don't dose it every 6-7 hours. So if you took if before bed probably it would prob be very similar for results. That's my theory at least.
I think most take albut for the reason that it wears off so they can sleep bc clen can be harsh for many.

But then again one could have a higher beta receptor binding affinity thus rendering it stronger, which would be clen if I had to guess.
You ever run albut tice?

[tice1212]

thanks bro for ur opinion. no I haven't ran albut.. im running 140mcg of clen at this time. 4 weeks in now. keto 2mg a night. just wanted to see how it compared. can u run them together?

[davesah1]

Also clen (for the most part) binds selectively to beta 2 receptor and slightly to the beta 1. Beta 2 reacts with adrenaline (epinephrine) as a hormone or neurotransmitter affecting muscles or organs. Beta 1 primarily is a G-protein coupled receptor that interacts with cardiac muscle. (Used some wiki for that one) I recall reading that the selectivity for beta 2 is what makes clen and albut not kill for the most part. Not sure what B3 does. So this is probably why heart complications can occur with abuse and other factors. Makes sense since beta 1 would really have any effect on asthma the technical use for these things lol, but epinephrine does open the airways by mimicking flight or flight response I'm sure there's much more. But thats what I've read and most studies showing heart cell death and other serious issues were done on animals, which have more beta receptors and were given doses that no human would take per kg of bodyweight. If I find it i'll post it too.

[davesah1]

thanks bro for ur opinion. no I haven't ran albut.. im running 140mcg of clen at this time. 4 weeks in now. keto 2mg a night. just wanted to see how it compared. can u run them together?

I wouldn't advise that. At least 140 mcgs a day. Maybe 40 mcgs of clen and albut but it seems like overkill and not ideal for your health. Besides clen wins IMO lol.

[davesah1]

"THE ANABOLIC AND LIPOLYTIC EFFECTS of the β2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist clenbuterol have been widely investigated, principally at doses ranging from 1 to 5 mg/kg in a variety of sedentary laboratory and livestock animals (6, 12, 25, 29). In response to such doses, the size of the heart, skeletal muscle, bone, lung, and kidney all increase, whereas the liver (35) and adipose tissue decrease in mass (6, 30). However, not all investigations have been able to demonstrate clenbuterol's anabolic effects, particularly when low doses are used (5), which suggests a dose-response relationship between clenbuterol and muscle hypertrophy." ......1-5mg/kg????

It is conceivable that, like the less selective β-AR agonist isoproterenol (3, 27), clenbuterol may induce cell death and necrosis in the heart. Indeed, clenbuterol has previously been shown to induce general histological damage in the soleus muscle of the rat in response to a dose of 2 mg/kg administered via drinking water

http://jap.physiology.org/content/93/5/1824

"clenbuterol may induce cell death and necrosis in the heart"
I love how its a may at those doses done it animals.