Question been running Test E and Tren E for 8 weeks going to switch to sust 250

**dazzle1** · 07-06-2014, 11:05 PM

35
214lbs
12% BF

First cycle

Been running Test E 700 and Tren E 600 once a week for my first cycle. Nolva 20 ed, NAC/Liv52.

Been running 8 weeks now with great results, bench 205 to 280.

Going to switch the Test E out with Suss 250 + tren 600 for the next two weeks to round out the cycle.

My plan was to pin the sust once a week, and would like your suggestions on frequency and amount of sust I should use.

Comments on cycle welcome as well.

**numbere** · 07-07-2014, 09:00 AM

What is your previous cycling experience? Why only a 10 week cycle when using long esters? How often are you pinning the test and tren ? Are you using an AI? What do you have in mind for PCT?

**gamble14** · 07-07-2014, 12:01 PM

Sust should be pinned every other day.

**MuscleInk** · 07-07-2014, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

What is your previous cycling experience? Why only a 10 week cycle when using long esters? How often are you pinning the test and tren? Are you using an AI? What do you have in mind for PCT?

As above. No AI? No DA? Any HCG ? Sounds like a poor cycle.

Why switch? If you fail to plan, you plan to fail. You should have had enough gear for 12 weeks plus your PCT. You start messing around with doses and switching to a blend, you're asking for problems.

**dazzle1** · 07-08-2014, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

As above. No AI? No DA? Any HCG ? Sounds like a poor cycle.

Why switch? If you fail to plan, you plan to fail. You should have had enough gear for 12 weeks plus your PCT. You start messing around with doses and switching to a blend, you're asking for problems.

I didn't plan to switch, it was suggested that I do it.

After doing my research and some well timed comments, I decided against changing my cycle.

I did change the test out for a little stronger version - went from TestE 250 to Test E300.

I will continue that with the TrenE/TestE stack and plan to do a full 12 week cycle, I'm 8 weeks in.

I'm pinning once a week and I'm taking Nova 20 everyday to keep gyno away.

This is my first cycle EVER, so I really only planned on going 8 weeks to see how it worked, and I liked it. The Tren was suggested to me, and, I went with it without knowing much.

I have both Nova and Clomid for PCT. Planning on doing the standard 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 for each respectively.

I'm not noticing any Proclatin side and other than night sweats and trensomnia I've been pretty good.

I don't have an AI, DA or HCG.

**Chicagotarsier** · 07-08-2014, 01:03 AM

It is a negative to switch. Sus is not a mystical object...it is
Testosterone Propionate
Testosterone Phenylprop
Testosterone Isocaproate
Testosterone Decanoate

You do not want this..it has a halflife of forever. Will totally screw your PCT. If you switch switch to a short ester like Test Prop or Test Phenyl Prop. That will actually help you by a switch.

**numbere** · 07-08-2014, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by dazzle1

I don't have an AI, DA or HCG.

It would be in your best interest to begin using an AI and have BW to see where your E2 is situated. If you start using hCG now it will hasten you PCT.

**kelkel** · 07-08-2014, 07:04 AM

Order an AI from the site sponsor. NOT a good idea to cycle without one and it's not to late to start.

**NACH3** · 07-08-2014, 08:04 AM

For your first cycle ever... It sure is a Doosy!

First cycles should be Test only, but now that your 8 wks in it doesn't matter... Unless - are you experiencing any side effects??

Definitely, get on it... By getting an AI & hCG ASAP! Like stated above it's not to late!! Tren is 500 X more powerful than Test, just so you know! We are all tryin to help you bro, so don't take what anyone says personally as they are just looking out for you and your health!!!

Good luck my man... And keep us posted!

**evander87** · 07-08-2014, 11:02 AM

Wow homes for a first cycle you sure did go all in. Hope you know how to eat during pct so you don't lose all those gains.

As it's be stated get on an AI and can I ask why you're only pinning once a week even if it's long esters? Even with test and tren E you should pin twice a week so your moron one levels aren't roller coasting up and down.

205 to 280 bench in 8 weeks. Hope to god you have good form as your ligaments might not be up for the task of moving such weight. One little mess up and you could have a very severe injury.

I'm not trying to harp on you homie you're 35 and can make your own choices but I'm stating things others who might be reading this thread should think about before jumping on such an aggressive first cycle.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

**dazzle1** · 07-08-2014, 11:17 PM

Yeah it's been a hell of a cycle. I'm keeping my sets to reps of 8 or more to avoid too much ligament strain. I will look into getting some Armidex ASAP. Should I run 0.5mg daily?

I can only pin once a week, so that is what I have to deal with.

The nolva everyday seems to be working fine, no signs of Gyno or water retention, are you sure I need an AI?
What is so important about an AI? I've been told you only need AI for longer cycles.

What suggestions do you have for my diet on PCT to keep the gains? I'm orig from Pullman,WA btw

**numbere** · 07-09-2014, 09:36 AM

Forced negatives are a good technique for strengthening connective tissue. You should begin taking dex 0.25mg/EOD and have a sensitive E2 lab done to monitor your serum levels. Your body's rate of amortization and amount of test taken determines whether an AI is used, not length of cycle. Pinning long esters less frequently than twice a week is not ideal for building muscle. The information in the thread below will help you keep your gains post cycle.

Tips on keeping gains for the moderate user