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Hey folks.
Blasting myself atm 400 test e/500mg tren e. Had recent blood test 104 my test is and my e2 came back with a whopping 900+
1st day i got my adex to treat my e2, i knocked back 2.5mg after that doing 1mg ED. Coming up to a full week today. No real changes in mood, was depressed bad today tired and ED problems still. Have i overkilled it or give more time for serum levels to balance out? Or knock back dose .5 EOD?
Yes you should knock it down to .25 - .5 eod boz that is a lot of adex. Get more blood work done to see where your e2 is. Why did you not use a AI when you started your blast ? and what was the ranges for the test & e2.
Yes and too much adex can induce thromboembolisms and adversely effect your LDL and HDL. More is rarely better.Quote:
Originally Posted by clarky.
Is it just me or is that a crazy high amount of tren? I'm newer but in the sample cycles it seems like 600 is the highest ive seen recommended. Also, MuscleInk what is a thromboembolisms?
It's high but I've used higher (don't recommend it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimbusdp
Embolism/thromboembolism refers to a blood clot which depending on size and location can cause ischemic events (stroke, heart attack, etc.).
It is tren e not tren a which is the reason for the higher dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimbusdp
Had a AI on hand aromasin 12.5 mg ED had blood work done, and 900+ so was obvious to say my aromasin was bunk. Got my adex now and the rest tells the tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by clarky.
Before i started my adex results:
Test 106.7
Free Test 4688
e2 932
So why is it i dont feel better yet and im still limpy downstairs?
Have i smashed my e2 too low?
Or give time for this to level out?
Ive had my E2 come back at 600+ and I took 1mg adex every day for 7 days and tanked it to 7? Its sucks to have it that low. You may have tanked yours? You may run a normal dose for a week to see if things level out or just go get the E2 test and then you'll know for sure.... Good luck
Where is your E2 now after the adex?Quote:
Originally Posted by boz
Aromasin may have been under dosed and not bunk.
If your E2 got that high and you weren't using a DA, you should be get your prolactin tested. Running tren and allowing your E2 to get that high will cause serious prolactin problems.
Haven't been re tested only been on Adex 7 days today. Prolactin was fine well in the ranges. Under dosed maybe either way useless. I would of thought by now I would feel better, getting wood not tired non moody etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleInk
It will take more than 7 days and the only way to know where the levels are at now is more blood work - otherwise it's guess work.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz
MuscleInk, sorry to be annoying, but I'm new and you pop up every where I look. What are the dangers of high estrogen while running tren? I'm concerned the second batch of adex I got on my last cycle was bunk because I had a lot of estrogen related side effects that are still prevalent even 3/4 of the way through my PCT. I was going to wait til I finished my PCT to get bloodwork, will there be irreperable damage if I don't get my estrogen under control sooner? And what is prolactin?
My little Vietnamese wife taught me to hide in the bushes and pop out unexpectedly! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nimbusdp
There are numerous risks of elevated serum estrogen to men, regardless of the cycle you run. Higher serum estrogen levels in men can cause your blood to thicken, increase risk for blood clots, arterial diseases, cardiac risks (stroke and heart attacks), contributes to prostate enlargement and prostate cancer, suppresses your immune system and delays wound healing, and increases risks for metabolic disorders and type 2 diabetes.
When running 19nor compounds such as deca, tren, etc. uncontrolled serum estrogen can result in rising levels of the luteotropic hormone, prolactin. In womem, prolactin is commonly associated with the production of breast milk, but prolactin actually has over 300 potential functions in vertebrates. In men, rising levels of prolactin effect bone turnover resulting in the weakening of bones, as well as severe erectile dysfunction, significant reduction in sperm production, lethargy, loss of strength and muscle mass, breast enlargement, and severe breast tenderness.
You can knock it down some if you think the sides are indeed related.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz
So okay high estrogen isn't good... the only side effect I'm seeing is pimples breaking out on my face around where I shave. I'm 3 weeks into my post and am at 20mg Nolvadex/day. Should I take an arimidex just to be safe? Or let my body naturally level out? I ran arimidex .5mg / every other day during my cycle. Should I be concerned or is it just my body readjusting? Also I live in south florida so it's super hot and humid, which could be a large contributing factor.
Calm down boys. You actual e2 levels could be in range or even low.
Some blood testing methods pick up tren as estrogen. I've had an e2 level of over 2000 without sides. I maintained the Adex dose and only dropped the tren (continued same dose test/mast) and withing a week my e2 levels were at 800 (I was on tren E) 2 weeks later I was in range.
Those levels are pmol/ml
It's the tren, other wise you would have allot more sides than just pimples.
Check your progesterone, and prolactin next time too. And don't over do the Adex.
Okay thanks.
Ok i got my blood work done, and after that much adex i really thought my e2 had crashed my e2 barely came down at all. Was in the 900's now is at low 800 i would of thought after that high doses of adex would of zapped me completely, especially the symptoms i was getting. I feel so skinny no bloat and no pump look all symptoms of low e2. Im switiching to aromasin 12.5mg ED now, and yes i believe the culprit could be the tren also as atheletic guy says.'
Anyone else want to chimer in on this?
I think you real estrogen has crashed and your tren is giving you false reading.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz
Drop the tren for 2 weeks. What else are you running? So we can properly dose the correct Adex dose.
I would even consider dropping the Adex for a week and using nolvadex just in case until you level out.
Well i have dropped the tren now. 600mg test e i am currently running. I have got aromasin on hand now and will start with 12.5mg ED as i think aromasin is the better choice. I am so confused how my body is running atm, but im sure it is the false reading this has occured before, but was in denial has tren does not aromastize, i know the look of my body, and there is no pump look to it and barely no bloat, so there has to be a a low e2 somewhere.
She stopped shaving down there?Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleInk
Half that aramosin dose again 6.25 ed bro. Give it 2 weeks minimum and re test.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz
12.5 is too high for just 600 mg test only. Don't be confused just learn from this. You'll bounce back in no time. Just stick to 6.25mg ed for now....
Ok so my capsuels are dosed at 12.5 mg and cannot split them, who thinks no AI till i feel better?
Also how do u dial in a AI while on tren when it gives u false readings of your e2 always high, is it just listening to your body?